Is a close fight really never a robbery?

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  1. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ

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    I've read this statement many times on this site, and I'm not really convinced by this. If a 12 round fight is scored let's say 115-113 (7-5) or 115-114 (6-5-1) by the vast majority of the observers and the other guy wins it, it's not always a big deal.

    But let's take this scenario for instance;

    Boxer A wins 6 of the 12 rounds clearly, with significanly more, cleaner and harder punches landed. The other 6 rounds are a lot closer but 5 of them are surely for Boxer B, and for 1 you can make a case for either guy.
    So let's say it goes like this (to make this scenario more plausable);
    Boxer A is in control for the first 4 rounds, and looks on his way to a stoppage win.
    From round 5 on Boxer B suddenly ajusted and found a way to counter Boxer A who's a bit to careless in his search of a KO. Round 6 , 7, 8 and 9 show Boxer A chasing Boxer B around the ring, having some succes but taking a lot of counterpunches. Round 10 Boxer B starts to slow down and suddenly taking a lot more punches as in the previous rounds, but stil beïng succesful with the jab > Very close round, could go either or neither way.
    Round 11 and 12 look more like the first couple of rounds, with Boxer A in control but now because Boxer B is clearly gassed and bruised.

    This is a close fight, with you normally score with 1 to 2 rounds to boxer A, or a dead draw.

    - there were no KD's.
    - there were no point deductions.
    - fight is held at a neutral stage.
    - no rounds were scored 10-8 (while a couple were close to that)

    Option 1 Split decision for Boxer B
    Judge 1 scores the bout 115-113 Boxer A (7-5)
    Judge 2 scores the bout 113-115 Boxer B (5-7)
    Judge 3 scores the bout 114-115 Boxer B (5-6-1)

    Option 2 Majority Draw
    Judge 1 scores the bout 115-113 Boxer A (7-5)
    Judge 2 scores the bout 114-114 Draw (6-6)
    Judge 3 scores the bout 114-114 Draw (6-6)
     
    Robney, Mar 25, 2011
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  2. Bajingo

    Bajingo Boxing Junkie banned

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    If boxer A clearly won at least 6 of the rounds then any scenario where B still wins would be a robbery IMO.
     
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  3. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ

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    Come on, can it be nobody besides "bajingo" (and I agree with him) has an opinion about this? :blood
     
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  4. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Robbery is when there's a major disparity between official scores and fight reality.

    Martinez-Williams I was no robbery in sense of Maravilla clearly won, because he didn't, there was however a 119-109 scorecard which was ridiculous. Chris John got a draw vs. Juarez and retained, yet it's still a robbery because he easily won 8 rounds and judges thought otherwise. Martinez-Cintron was another robbery draw whereas in cases like JMM-Pac or Berto-Collazo it could've gone either way, yet the vast majority had the other guy winning - not a robbery, but when 80% of experts of fans agree it tells you something about politics. But I agree that close fights ending in a D, SD or MD are not robberies. It is when it wasn't close yet the officials thought otherwise.
     
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  5. oli

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    Yes- Cotto vs Clottey was a ****ing robbery in my eyes. No way can Cotto really believe he won that fight
     
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  6. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    When's Nishioka going to be fighting again, brah?
     
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  7. Leonit

    Leonit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In your eyes yes. But it has been discussed to death and a lot of people think that Cotto won by a point with the KD as the deciding factor.
     
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  8. PH|LLA

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    fact is that usually if the rounds are split so back and forth there will likely be 4-5 rounds that are very close. Very rarely just 1.
     
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  9. Dude

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    He didn't win, Clottley gave him the fight. It's not Cotto's fault Clottley never took the fight away from Cotto when he had the chance.
     
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  10. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ

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    Likely yes, but not always. I also could have made it like 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9 were also close rounds, but I wanted to make clear Boxer B won them for the casual observer. Just go with the scenario (wich is unlikely but possible).

    Also, why are people drawing in other "real life" bouts? This is a "what happens if" scenario and isn't based on any bout I've seen or happened recently (or at least it's not supposed to be).

    It's basicly this... If a guy clearly wins 6 of the 12 rounds, probably loses 5 and 1 round is debatable is it a robbery if he still loses the bout or maybe even if it's a draw?
     
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  11. Uncle Rico

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    I think your post highlights the problems with the current scoring system, more so than the actual decisions that are made.
     
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  12. PH|LLA

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    if 1 round is debatable, and he clearly won 6, and the other guy clearly won 5, then its either 6-6 or 7-5 for the former, and anything else is a robbery
     
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  13. v2k987

    v2k987 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If Mosley had got the nod against Cotto i would have called it a robbery... even though the fight was close
     
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  14. Speedtron

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    A robbery isn't a case of a close fight. A lot of people say it was a close fight, so it's not a robbery. WRONG!!

    A fight can be close but still be a robbery. Lets say Boxer A wins clearly 7 rounds and Boxer B wins clearly 5 rounds. Giving the win to Boxer B or the draw is a robbery. Robbery isn't about close fights, it's about not giving the win to the real winner of the fight.

    Having this in mind, in your case Robney. There is no way Boxer B gets the win being a SD or anything else, because Boxer A clearly won 6 rounds. Boxer B clearly won 5 rounds and 1 round that could go either way. In that case, it's a win for Boxer A or a draw depending on how you saw the round that was very close.
     
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  15. Delroc

    Delroc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    fights can be close but can still have a clear winner.
     
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