Oscar's lagacy is what exactly?

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  1. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    Oscar De La Hoya has consistently fought more fighters from past, present and future pound for pound rankings than any other fighter of the recent era. Chavez. Whitaker. Trinidad. Mosley. Hopkins. Mayweather. Some were young, some were old and some were in their prime - but Oscar De La Hoya's resume is impeccable.

    De La Hoya runs the largest money making promotion company in boxing today. And he just bought The Ring magazine, so I'm sure there won't be a shortage of articles extolling his virtures for some time to come. :deal
     
  2. gambleer

    gambleer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah, Shane himself thought he lost (look at his face when he was announced the winner) and his father either, who told Shane going to the 12th round that he needed a KO to win.
     
  3. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I first saw Oscar during '92 olympics and have been a fan ever since. This said, not counting Oscar's resume before '99 is ridiculous because he was a terror to the lightweight scene knocking everyone out within two to four rounds. When you saw Oscar come in you knew the other guy had a huge chance of getting knocked out. Oscar, more than most fighters at 147-154, still would have a very good chance at getting ko'd by Oscar. No one in that range has Floyd's speed and stamina but at the same time no one in that range has Oscar's power combined with speed. Oscar lost to great fighters but he took more risks. Again, more risks than many young welterweights or young middleweights today. Mosley himself recently said that most people feel Oscar won the second fight when defending himself against the steroid charge and said steroids if anything hindered him, that night. Oscar's resume to me will be one of an ATG that choose to pad his wallet rather than his resume. The big fight was always more important than the knotch on the undeafeated card. It wasn't his good looks that made Oscar famous it was his understanding of boxing as theatre. With Oscar you never really knew who was going to win. Oh yes, shut the **** up about Quartey. Oscar won first part of fight, Quartey won second (with both fighters knocked down in 6th), and then Oscar beat the **** out of Quartey!
     
  4. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sorry, on my second beer. This should read, most fighters at 147-154 stand a veru good chance at getting ko'd by oscar.
     
  5. YardApe123

    YardApe123 New Member Full Member

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    :lol:

    People do have a point. He seems to lose big fights lately.
     
  6. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    He's absolutely not an ATG, but he is a 'great fighter' and a mention in the top 5 of his era and HOF bound first ballot.

    ATG titles are reserved for the top elite's and he just came short in his biggest moments, showing too many flaws in the same respect.
     
  7. Warfist

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    $$$cha-ching$$$cha-ching$$$cha-ching$$$....
     
  8. rusticraver

    rusticraver Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Man, if your champ in 6 weight divisions and you aren't an ATG what more do you have to do??
     
  9. TIGEREDGE

    TIGEREDGE Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Oscar is an ATG who only really lost to hopkins, mosley in fight 1 and sturm in my book.
    I think he beat mayweather, tito, quarty, mosley fight 2, and a still very hard to beat whitaker.

    He made mayweather look bad, though pbf was giving him weight. an atg for sure
     
  10. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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  11. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    Please. :roll:

    Round 1 consisted of Quartey controlling the round with his jab, landing a nice little hook too, and Oscar flurrying late with some combos to the head and body, some which were landing and some which were caught.

    Round 2 was a clear Quartey round. DLH landed a nice counter right off the ropes in round 3, the only meaningful punch landed in the first 2:45 of the round, then Quartey landed about 3 or 4 nice left hands in the last 15 seconds of the round. Round 4 was a DLH round. Round 5 was a Quartey round. Round 6 was a Quartey round when both guys went down. Ike controlled the rest of the round after the 2 KDs. Ike won the next 3 rounds as DLH did little. Oscar won round 10. Quartey won round 11. He dictated most of the round's pace with his jab. He wasn't landing much, but he was still doing more than Oscar. Oscar threw a combo in the round with Ike near the ropes, but only one shot went through, and that was grazing. Then there was round 12 when DLH dropped and badly hurt Quartey.

    The fight was not even hard to score at all, as there were not a lot of punches landing, and for DLH to win, it requires him winning 3 of the first 5 rounds, and giving him the last 3 rounds, since rounds 6-9 were clear Quartey rounds.
     
  12. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oscar is a great fighter.
     
  13. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    Oscar had a lot of solid wins in addition to the controversial wins and the losses.

    He was criticized a bit for facing smaller guys (Hernandez, Leija, Molina were all moving up to 135 to face DLH, a big 135 lb fighter), but they were all solid wins over veteran champs nonetheless. Rafael Ruelas was a top lightweight and Oscar annihliated him. MAGO was an undefeated fighter and DLH beat him handily. Rivera was a tough contender who was competitive with all the other top fighters he fought (arguably beat Whitaker, dropped and hurt Vargas, gave Mosley a fairly tough bout), but Oscar dominated him.

    You can hold some controversial wins against him (Whitaker, Quartey), but the Trinidad loss was controversial too. The Mosley rematch also. The Mosley rematch was kind of a status quo for his resume. It was a close fight that could've gone either way. Forget all this "robbery" stuff.

    People act like the Mosley rematch meant as much as the first fight. I don't think so. Mosley was an undefeated, top p4p fighter in the first fight. Although relatively new to 147, he was always pretty big at LW to begin with, and looked good in his previous bouts. By the rematch, Mosley hadn't won a fight in over 2 years. He had looked short on confidence in the Forrest rematch after being dominated the first time around, and Mosley's debut @ 154 ended early with a clash of heads.

    Then Mosley wins a controversial decision and admits later on that he was juiced.

    It counts nothing for Mosley's legacy IMO to win a controversial decision after being juiced up. DLH's doesn't really get affected either way by this, IMO.
     
  14. bigtime-skills

    bigtime-skills Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :rofl :yep :hey :good
     
  15. faisal

    faisal Hoolios daddy Full Member

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    hes got a sweet left hook and he gets the women rowdy