The guys Lewis actually fought were harder punchers than most on this list e.g. Tyson, Tua, Ruddock, Morrison. My list would look similar to my overall list: Ali Louis Holmes Lewis Foreman Liston Tyson Dempsey Frazier Marciano
Im curious to hear where everyone would place Jack Dempsey and Rocky Marciano....im surprised these two havent been ranked higher more often.
Under these circumstances, i think it is a pretty reasonable list. Though i wonder where Wlad would fit into the list. I think Wlad probably should be considered for a spot, though i am not sure who for. Also expect Michael Spinks to great some head to head chaos even though his record under the conditions is only about 2-1.
The top 3 for me just have to be Louis Marciano Clear top two for me. Ali He is the next best head 2 head. The next 3 are interchangeable Tyson Liston Frazier In the bottom half you then have begin looking at Lewis Bowe At 9 or ten then there could be a number of different guys. I think it's those with alwkward styles who make the cut for me Johnson Vitali An honourable mention has to go to holyfield because I think he beats prime tyson, but noone else in that list. Also I don't rate holmes that high head 2 head, I see him in the next bracket with the likes of foreman, sullivan, langford etc. I feel the need to justify my selection of liston, it's mainly his reach and fearsome nature, I don't have him high atg, but h2h he's a beast. The same can be said for vitali, it's been a long time since there's been an iron chinned, hard hitting, well conditioned, awkward boxer. Whilst I appreciate he didn't achieve as much as the top twenty or so heavyweights, I think in his prime he gives anyone hell.
1. Joe Louis 2. Muhammad Ali 3. Sonny Liston 4. Mike Tyson 5. Larry Holmes 6. Lennox Lewis 7. George Foreman 8. Rocky Marciano 9. Jack Dempsey 10. Joe Frazier Something like that. H2H lists suck. Real List 1. Joe Louis 2. Muhammad Ali 3. Sonny Liston 4. Rocky Marciano 5. Larry Holmes 6. Lennox Lewis 7. Mike Tyson 8. George Foreman 9. Joe Frazier 10. Jack Johnson
Suzieq... Are you of the opinion that liston would have dominated was it not for ali, or do you believe liston was really a lot older than he claimed to be?