Shane's resume: ATG? If so, where?

you mean p4p? i dont have him in my top 100

 

Mosley isnt a atg, he is a hof fighter, if he beats pac he is a atg.

 

I would rank these three close to each other in an ATG list. So if either Trinidad or JMM is in, then Mosely is in too.

Shane Mosley
Felix Trinidad
Juan Manuel Marquez

 

have you had some sort of head injury recently ?

 

He had a blindingly good run at lightweight, a dominance at that weight not seen since the likes of Whitaker and not seen since. He went on to defeat Oscar de la Hoya twice, the first win being one of the greatest wins of the last 30 years. He had a great run at WW and has been a top name at LMW in this era despite his size.

He is a genuinely impressive fighter and has earned his place in my opinion to be classed as an ATG.

 

Mosley!!!!

 

Why is it always when talking about ATG's, they have to be in the top 100? I'm just curious because say I don't know somebody has Mike Tyson at 100, and say Andre Berto has an "ATG" career and gets into the top 100. Which brings me to my question, so since Mike Tyson is number 100 and Andre Berto jumps into the top 100 and bumps Mike Tyson out of the top 100, is Mike Tyson all of a sudden not an ATG now?

(For anyone that gets offended. This was just a hypothetical situation, so relax.)

Anyway, to answer the OP I would say Shane Mosley is a great fighter and was one of the top fighters in this era. To me comparing him (or anbody else really) to other fighters from different eras is rubbish anyway. So, sure why not Shane Mosley is an "all-time great" fighter.

 

atg rating should be more strict, what great fighters did he beat a lightweight? He los to oscar the second time got destroyed by winky and forrest twice. His career is basically done at this point yet gbp revives it with wins over colazzo and vargas, he then gets beaten by cotto, wins struggling vs mayorga, turns back the clock vs margarito with his second best performance, gets schooled by mayweather and stinks out the joint vs c level mora.
Plus mosley cheated with the balco thing, what he did is as bad as what margarito did.
Best wins: Oscar 1, margarito and old shot vargas, thats about it.
Its no atg worthy, hof, nobody will question it but atg is overranking mosley.

 

At lightweight he defeated some very solid competition and good fighters. Holiday, Leija and Molina are all good wins against good contenders. His victory against de la Hoya was truly remarkable and he spent two years on top of the pound for pound chart with good reason. Many could very well consider Oscar undefeated until that point and the best fighter in the world. Mosley came into that fight with little experience at 147 against mediocre competition and beat the big dog quite clearly.

He loses to Forrest, ok he lost to a good fighter who had his number. Against Wright he was at a weight he didn't perform his best at but in the second bout he pushes Wright to a close but clear Wright decision (who happens to be the best 154 fighter since MacCallum). Against Cotto, he is clearly clearly past prime yet he takes Cotto (prime Cotto) to such a close decision a fair number of people had it a draw. After that he takes on Margarito, the man on top of the 147 pile and beats him worse than anyone has ever beaten Margarito.

Shane has had an inconsistent career since he lost to Forrest, but he holds the best win since Hagler-Leonard (off the top of my head) when he beat de la Hoya the first time out. He has a solid resume at 135, a very good resume at 147 and a decent one at 154 even though he didn't belong there. The simple fact is the man is one of the best fighters of his era and as far as I am concerned is placed in the middle region of the greats of this era.

As for BALCO, I'm not going to let that impact the career of Shane when we have a sport that doesn't have a good testing programme by my books.

 

looks good to me

Shane Mosley W12 Philip Holiday- IBF lightweight title (1997)
Shane Mosley KO11 Manuel Gomez- IBF lightweight title (1997)
Shane Mosley KO8 Demetrio Ceballous- IBF lightweight title (1998)
Shane Mosley TKO8 John John Molina- IBF lightweight title (1998)
Shane Mosley KO5 Wilfredo Ruiz- IBF lightweight title (1998)
Shane Mosley TKO5 Eduardo Morales- IBF lightweight title (1998)
Shane Mosley TKO9 James Leija- IBF lightweight title (1998)
Shane Mosley KO7 Golden Johnson- IBF lightweight title (1999)
Shane Mosley TKO8 John Brown- IBF lightweight title (1999)
Shane Mosley TKO9 Antonio Margarito- WBA welterweight title (2009)
Shane Mosley L12 Miguel Angel Cotto- WBA Welterweight title (2007)
Shane Mosley TKO10 Fernando Vargas I- WBA Light Middleweight Title Eliminator (2006)
Shane Mosley W12 Luis Collazo- WBC welterweight title (2007)
Shane Mosley KO3 Adrian Stone- WBC welterweight title (2001)
Shane Mosley TKO6 Antonio Diaz- WBC welterweight title (2001)
Shane Mosley TKO6 Shannan Taylor- WBC welterweight title (2001)
Shane Mosley W12 Oscar De La Hoya I- WBC welterweight title (2000)
Shane Mosley W12 Oscar De La Hoya II- WBC & WBA light middle title (2003)
Shane Mosley L12 Vernon Forrest- WBC welterweight title (2002)
Shane Mosley L12 Vernon Forrest II- WBC welterweight title (2002)
Shane Mosley L12 Winky Wright I- IBF. WBC & WBA light middle title (2004)
Shane Mosley L12 Winky Wright II- WBC & WBA light middle title (2004)
Shane Mosley L12 Floyd Mayweather (2010)
Shane Mosley TKO6 Fernando Vargas II (2006)
Shane Mosley KO12 Ricardo Mayorga (2008)

 

If he stopped after the Margarito fight, he would have been :good

 

I clicked Top 100 but I don't think he even makes it in there

 

Serious answer: I don't even think he cracks the top 100, but yes, he's HOF material.

My hatred for Mosley answer: He ranks just outside the top 100. Just behind Butterbean, but ahead of Charlie Zeneloff.

 

It's wordplay and interpretation. We already have the hof that ranks the top 4 fighters from each year of retirement.

For me the very definition of atg is one the top 100 boxers of all time. That's my criteria.

Heavies tend to get treated differently anyways so I go off the top 15 heavyweights.

 

it's not the ATG part that bothers me. it's the fact you said you had him ahead of holyfield and trinidad. that's crazy.

yes, mosley had a good run at lightweight, but they were good names, not great. holiday, molina, leija, johnson ect ect.

his run's a welter and lightmiddle were patchy. great fighter, but no way is he ahead of trinidad and holyfield. :good