Is Sergio the next Great White hope even if hes latino??

Very popular for boxing fans here, maybe the most popular boxer actually.He trains here oftentimes ( the guy in his corner with the long hair is a spaniard trainer) and Sergio did part of his career in Spain.Sergio is one of my favorites but personally I prefeer other boxers, like Pacquiao, Mayweather, Juan Manuel Márquez or Gamboa...

 

Sometimes I think people rate guys like Bute, Martinez higher because subconsciously, they are caucasian, I dont think people consciously do this though, but I think maybe it does happen, although I might be wrong, just a feeling I get sometimes.

I personally dont rate either of them that highly, I dont think Martinez would of lived with the middleweights of the late 80's, early 90's, as for Bute, he just doesn't have the mentality of a fighter imo, I think we saw this against Andrade where to my mind, he didn't seem to cope well when he tired, that's without talking about how tentative he is in some of his fights (Magee, Brinkley)

 

Pacquiaos obviously the "great white hope"

Everyone knows it.

It's a term for guys who the media hype up, to make money. Guys who the media build up to create a "buzz"

They don't literally mean "white" any more.

History of boxing reporting, you have an "unbeatable" guys, and some scrappy little hope they build up

Truth is, Pacquiaos been beaten up by a skilled counter puncher, and all that's happened since then is a series of hand picked bouts with old brawlers, to build his image back up again

 

What part are you, Casa Del Sol, Marbella?
I love that place. Seafood city! :good
Last time I was there, 40% unemployment.

 

This thread is still up and runningggg

 

No.

1. Great White Hope is an old, out of date notion. We have had multiple White Heavyweight Champions since then.

2. Sergio isn't "white" he's latino

3. Sergio isn't a Heavyweight

 

I try never to get involved in discussions where race has to be defined, because much like the word "planet", you won't even get scientists to agree on a single definition, much less people on a message board.

But in this case, "Great White Hope" is something pretty specific. It almost always refers to either a white American of Western European or Italian descent, or an actual Western European or Italian. It never seems to apply to Eastern Europeans (even though they're very much "white"), or to non-Italian southern Europeans. That's probably because Western Europeans and Italians made up majority of the white American settlers, and therefore they are considered the traditional "white" group that came up with the GWH term in the first place. And of course their ancestral countrymen get grandfathered in as well.

So by that definition, no, Martinez would not be considered a GWH. I believe he's a latino of spanish descent.

Yes, I know that spaniards and italians are genetically virtually identical. I don't make the rules, just explain 'em.

 

Latino isn't a race brah

 

Don't waste your time, bro.

Nearly 400 posts into this thread, and we still have folks saying: "He ain't white, man, he's Latino."

Apparently, unless you are as white as Casper the ghost and have a last name like O'Malley or some Teutonic-Northern European-Anglo last name, you aren't white.

Indeed, according to many on here, Spaniards aren't white.

 

Martinez actually looks Mestizo to me but without a DNA test we cant know how much Indian and white he actually has. Whatever he is, he is FANtastic

Latinos=speak a latin language
Hispanics- speak Spanish

The Latin Romance languages are Spanish, Italian, French, Portuguese and Greek. Even German is considered to be derived from Latin.

 

This country is made up of foreigners so quit the bs. It's about time Amercia started embracing international talent when for years they would blindly claim no foreigner could hold a candle to an American fighter. That was one reason Lennox Lewis got **** on for so many years despite his dominance: because he wasn't American. Ali had a big mouth too but he backed it up. Manny just plain fights in an exciting style and doesn't make racist and disparaging videos on Youtube. No one doubts Mayweather's supreme skill, but he just doesn't get it why he's not a likeable superstar(despite supposedly embracing the bad guy role) Personality is the key to being a fan beyond just boxing fans. He could have followed the example SRL and DLH left as far as the image you project to the public, but maybe that's just not in him.

Blind nationalism isn't gonna reverse the fact that Foyd's mouth leaves a bad taste in people's mouths.

 

Correct.And hispanics are, therefor, latinos.

That is not correct.The latin languajes are Spanish (Castellano, Gallego y Catalán) , French, Italian, Portuguesse and Romanian.But Romania is not considered a latin country because the major cultural influence is slavic.

German is not considered derivated of lain, except some words.The english, and dutch for example are considered as a germanic languaje ( modern german too).

I lived in the region of Andalucía but now I live next to that side, in the south-east coast.I dont want to concrete the site because the spam jejeje but I can say that like all spaniards we are very proud of our food :yep

The economic situation are in a little recession right now, but the unemployement are not that bad for now.

 

As was discussed, Latino is not so much based on race or culture but language. Italian consist of more Latin than Spanish but no one is saying Italy is more Latino than Spain

Actually, I did say that those languages were Latin. I didnt mean to put the the ancient Greek in there like that but to say that the Greek borrowed heavily from Latin (and vice verse). For instance, Greek substantives, especially proper names, are commonly Latinized.

As for German you really need to read this: http://german.about.com/library/weekly/aa103000a.htm

English and German are close cousins in the Germanic family of languages (see chart below), but they have both borrowed heavily from the Italic (Romanisch) branch of the long-gone Indo-European Ursprache (protolanguage). At its height, the Roman Empire extended across Europe from the British Isles to the Mediterranean (Mittelmeer). This meant that the language of the Romans also came into contact with German and other languages. (Many German town names originate from Latin.) Later Latin became an important universal language – somewhat like English today – especially in the areas of the Roman Catholic Church and scholarship at European universities (where Latin was the language of instruction). Although German has also been influenced by Greek, French, English and other languages, Latin-derived words make up a large percentage of German vocabulary. Gutenberg printed his famous 42-line Bible around 1456 – in Latin. The first Bible in German appeared in 1466, but even as late as 1680, half of all printed Bibles in Germany were still in Latin. (In 1520 it had been 90 percent!). All of this also happens to have some practical benefits for the language-learner. Since many of the Latin-based terms in German are similar or identical to Latin-based vocabulary in English, we often see non-Germanic similarities between the two. Some of the Latin borrowings were from Vulgärlatein (vulgate or "common" Latin), while other Lehnwörter entered German later from "classical" Latin. But both German and English borrowed heavily from Latin in other areas as well. Latin makes up a large part of the Wortschatz in these fields: agriculture (fruits, viniculture), construction/housing, the military, administration, trade and the household. In addition to common family, housing and scholastic words, another obvious category is the names of the months. The reason that it is so easy to identify the German months is because they all came from Latin, just as the English terms did. Another important Latin factor was Humanismus in the 15th and 16th centuries. (The term humanism itself is Latin.) As Latin became the language of science, trade and literature, most German (and other European) scientists, authors and other notables of that period were better known by their Latin or Greek names.


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If you really want to get anal

Latin Romance languages

• [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aragonese_language"]Aragonese[/ame] is recognized, but not official, in [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aragon"]Aragon[/ame] (Spain).
• [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asturian_language"]Asturian[/ame] is recognized, but not official, in the Spanish region of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asturias"]Asturias[/ame].
• [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_language"]Catalan[/ame] is official in [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andorra"]Andorra[/ame]; co-official in the Spanish regions of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalonia"]Catalonia[/ame], [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valencian_Community"]Valencian Community[/ame] (as [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valencian"]Valencian[/ame]) and [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balearic_Islands"]Balearic Islands[/ame]; and recognized, but not official, in [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Franja"]La Franja[/ame] of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aragon"]Aragon[/ame]. It is also natively spoken in [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Catalonia"]Northern Catalonia[/ame], [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France"]France[/ame], in the Languedoc-Roussillon region (Llengadoc-Rosselló) and in the city of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alghero"]Alghero[/ame], [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardinia"]Sardinia[/ame], [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy"]Italy[/ame] (as [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alguerese"]Alguerese[/ame]).
• [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corsican_language"]Corsican[/ame] is spoken exclusively on the French island of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corsica"]Corsica[/ame] and is much more closely related to the Italian or Central Italian regional languages (its origins are in [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pisa"]Pisan[/ame] dialect). Unlike other French minority languages, it has a healthy outlook, 65% of the Corsican Population has Corsican as its first language
• Franco-Provençal, sometimes called "Arpitan," protected by statutes in the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aosta_Valley"]Aosta Valley Autonomous Region[/ame] of Italy, also spoken alpine valleys of the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Province_of_Turin"]province of Turin[/ame], two communities in [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Province_of_Foggia"]province of Foggia[/ame], [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romandy"]Romandy[/ame] region of western Switzerland, and in east central France (i.e., between standard French and Occitan domains). It is in serious danger of extinction.
• [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language"]French[/ame] is official in [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France"]France[/ame], [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgium"]Belgium[/ame], [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxembourg"]Luxembourg[/ame], [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monaco"]Monaco[/ame], [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland"]Switzerland[/ame] and the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_Islands"]Channel Islands[/ame]. It is also official in [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada"]Canada[/ame], in many African countries and in [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_departments_and_territories_of_France"]overseas departments and territories of France[/ame].
• [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galician_language"]Galician[/ame], akin to Portuguese, is co-official in Galicia, [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain"]Spain[/ame]. It is also spoken by Galician diaspora (more than local population).
• [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_language"]Italian[/ame] is official in [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy"]Italy[/ame], [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Marino"]San Marino[/ame], [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland"]Switzerland[/ame], [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_City"]Vatican City[/ame], [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istria"]Istria[/ame] (in [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatia"]Croatia[/ame] and [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovenia"]Slovenia[/ame]). The Alpes-Marritemes departement in [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France"]France[/ame] and [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corsica"]Corsica[/ame]
• [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin"]Latin[/ame] is usually classified as an Italic language of which the Romance languages are a subgroup. It is extinct as a spoken language, but it is widely used as a liturgical language by the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Church"]Roman Catholic Church[/ame] and studied in many educational institutions. It is also the official language of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_City"]Vatican City[/ame]. Latin was the main language of literature, sciences and arts for many centuries and greatly influenced all European languages.
• [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonese_language"]Leonese[/ame] is recognized in Castile and León (Spain).
• [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirandese_language"]Mirandese[/ame] is officially recognized by the Portuguese Parliament.
• [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_language"]Norman[/ame] has been debatedly referred to as a language in its own right or a dialect of standard French with its own regional character. Its use is recognized in the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_Islands"]Channel Islands[/ame], remnants of the historical [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Normandy"]Duchy of Normandy[/ame], and since 2008 it is among the regional languages recognised in the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_France"]French constitution[/ame].
• [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occitan_language"]Occitan[/ame] is spoken principally in [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France"]France[/ame], but is only officially recognized in [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain"]Spain[/ame] as one of the three official languages of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalonia"]Catalonia[/ame] (termed there [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aranese_language"]Aranese[/ame]), and in [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy"]Italy[/ame] as a minority language. Its use was severely reduced due to the once de jure and currently de facto promotion of French.

• [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picard_language"]Picard[/ame] is spoken in two [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regions_in_France"]regions[/ame] in the far north of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France"]France[/ame] – Nord-Pas-de-Calais and [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picardy"]Picardy[/ame] – and in parts of the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgium"]Belgian[/ame] region of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallonia"]Wallonia[/ame]. Belgium's French Community gave full official recognition to Picard as a regional language.
• [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_language"]Portuguese[/ame] is official in Portugal. It is also official in [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil"]Brazil[/ame] and several former [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Empire"]Portuguese colonies[/ame] in [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa"]Africa[/ame] and [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Asia"]Eastern Asia[/ame] (see [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographic_distribution_of_Portuguese"]Geographic distribution of Portuguese[/ame] and [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_of_Portuguese_Language_Countries"]Community of Portuguese Language Countries[/ame]).
• [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_language"]Romanian[/ame] is official in [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania"]Romania[/ame], [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldova"]Moldova[/ame] (as [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldovan_language"]Moldovan[/ame]), and [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vojvodina"]Vojvodina[/ame] ([ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbia"]Serbia[/ame]).
• [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romansh_language"]Romansh[/ame] is an official language of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland"]Switzerland[/ame].
• [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardinian_language"]Sardinian[/ame] is co-official in the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardinia"]Sardinia Autonomous Region[/ame], of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy"]Italy[/ame]. It is also spoken by Sardinian diaspora. It is considered the most conservative of the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_languages"]Romance languages[/ame] in terms of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonology"]phonology[/ame]
• [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_language"]Spanish[/ame] (also termed Castilian) is official in [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain"]Spain[/ame]. It is also official in most [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_America"]Latin American[/ame] countries with the notable exception of Brazil.

And for an even more anal list than that see: [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Romance_languages[/ame]

 

No, he really doesn't.