Americas "Great Black Hope"s

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Why is this "outspoken" thing such a big deal? Honstly; There is really nothing to be outspoken about in this day and age. Society at large is bending over backwards to acclimate everyone, at the expense of one group in particular. Raging against the inequality of the system is so antiquated and truly only plays to people with a chip on their shoulder and in many cases a room temperature IQ.

Regarding the Black hope" thing; Americans do not necessarily need a Black domestically reared hope. They will gladly latch on to a foreign born Black hope when faced with the unthinkable alternative of the Klitschko's dominating boxing's glamour division. Such was the case with Sam Peter and now David Haye and the seemingly constant pineing over what Ike Ibeabuchi could have been.

In conclusion; I simply feel that this current generation of Americans has been conditioned to feel that it is a Black birth right to dominate sports that rely heavily on speed and power.

 

Adamek has good skills,mobility for a hw but his chin and power wouldnt take him very far against top hw of the 90s..... Haye has the whole package for the exception of his chin....... I said Vitali and Wlad would do well in any era. Read my post again.

 

I enjoy both sports (MMA and Boxing). I think the appeal to MMA is there isn't so much BS trying to get a fight made. The best guys always seem to fight. And the Cards have many good fights. Boxing has so much darn red tape to get fights made . Promoters dont like each other, boxers are not willing to take a chance on a dangerous fight. It's no wonder so many people are going to MMA. I can't even get a few friends to split a PPV fight, because none of them watch boxing . To me boxing is killing itself with all the special demands to make a fight. There is none of that crap in MMA. Dont get me wrong I still love boxing and have been a fan for 25 years, but this is getting old. For example the fight everyone wants to see is May and Paq. The board has been filled up with fingerpointing and excuses for the last two years as to why these two have not fought. This is the crap thats killing boxing.

 

Perfect example of my previous post. This poster feels that the only reason "eastern euros" are having success is from lack of American (ethnic) participation. The fact that itis much harder for a fighter from Eastern Europe to even get an opportunity to fight pro, as indicated by the number of registered fighters per country on boxrec, has clearly eluded his mental grasp.

Eastern European fighters are doing well because they are working harder. They have to because they have less opportunity.

 

They work hard as hell and have toughness too. The reason they didn't dominate/rise to the top before recently is because their governments wouldn't let them.

 

Partly true, but i have been a hardcore boxing fan for over 30 years and its obvious theres a drop off in talent in the US.... Just look at the amatuer program(foundation), theres just not that many fighters anymore quantity or quality..

I agree Eastern Euros are always in shape and for the most parter harder working, but less talented......


PS 5 or the top 10 pfp fighters are American anyways... Eastern Euros are far from dominating Boxing.... Only the HW division.

 

Eastern Euros are really making inroads from about middleweight on up now

 

atsch OUtside of the Klitchko brothers they are not dominating:nono There are a number of solid guys or titlist in other divisions but i just did a top 50 pfp list the other day and there are still far more Latinos and Blacks on that list......... Lot of posters on ESB are confusing the definition of improvement and domination.

 

True there are more but i wouldnt say dominating... Klit bros yes.... best cruiser is Steve Cunningham an American, although i do notice more euros than ever there... Although i heard a Puerto Rican was robbed over there, maybe some hometown cooking has something to do with some of these decisons.... Hopkins,Pascal,Cloud top 3 LH....... Ward,Dirrell top SM IMO although Bute and Froch are right there..... Martinez easily best MW..

Improvement yes domination^^ Hardly.

 

It's the heavy metal music and arm band tattoos.:yep

They think it's "EXTREME"!!.

 

They are "less talented" WOW! They sure do well in every sport they dedicate resources to for having such sub-par talent.

I never said they were dominating. There are not enough even fighting pro to dominate. Russia has like 12 registered pro middlemweights. In contrast Argentina has like 75 and the U.S. is over a thousand. When you look at the percentages of registered fighters who compete at the top levels, their success is truly amazing.

P4P lists are bottom heavy anyway. And their really are not that many small people in Eastern Europe. Do not fret, wait until after the London Olympics when the Ukraine's Vasyl Lomachenko turns pro. He will be a lightweight P4P superstar. Despite his lack of natural talent.LOL

 

Ain't this cat already been hurt badly by some tomato cans?

 

There isnt that many registered because only the elite amatuers are turning pro... So dont act like there succes rate is so much better... For instance in Argentina or some other countries. A big % of the pros dont even have lengthy amatuer backgrounds,and many are learning on the job, unlike lot of eastern euros turning pro, who basically are pro fighters already and have a head start..... And yes there are a good amount of smaller eastern euros,, i have been watching amatuer and pro boxing for too long for you to tell me different... The only reason you dont have any dominating the lighter divisions is because of all the talent from latin America,Asia and US LAtinos.

Dont try and BS me with your Stormfront talk.. I know too much about boxing for you to tell me any different.