Is Sergio the next Great Latino hope even if hes white??

Wow, how quick did this thread go off the topic...

But yes, I have had this same argument with other people (North Americans) when they are quick to state how horrible Spaniards were to the Amerindians yet they themselves don't realize that as horrible as the Spaniards were, the Amerindian race survived to an extent in Central and South America while in North America it was almost exterminated.

 

Is not question of we consideres ourselves latinos or not(we do), is a FACT, that we are latinos.Spaniard were latinos even before in the ages that any american.The countries that arent angloamerica(USA, Canadá) arent named latinoamericans for nothing.

 

since when can you not be a white latino? of course Maravilla is white, are people going to deny Alvarez is white as well?

 

Shut up *******.. .. My dads side basically consider themselves spaniards(mixed with American Indian ) and believe me, do not consider themselves white or caucasian... I will admit they are from New Mexico(where every latino claims Spanis heritage).... And lot of the culture in New Mexico goes way back ... Long before being a state... Lot of Spaniards settled there long before alll the cowboys moved, in same with the Native americans(navajos) and Mexicans. I know a lot of Spaniards are white as white, but Spaniards come in different shades.. And not just he ones form New Mexico that are mixed with Native Indian,Mexican..... Look at Penolope Cruz, does she look like a white girl to you? No ?? She looks like any other attractive light complected Mexican girl..

One other thing Sicilians arent white either:nono just cuz there european dont make them white

English,Irish,Norweigians,Swedes,Germans,Austrians,Poles,Bulagarians etc etc and most russians are whites..... I have alot of Armenian friends and they dont consider themselves "White", but im sure Herbzog does.

 

you're hopeless.

 

since when is there a colour tag attached to being latino?

 

I'll start off with what is white? Skin color, race, ethnicity, European?

White also doesn't have a true meaning. Europe isn't one country, the continent is divided into many countries and ethnic groups that have fought wars, conquered each other, and moved around for centuries.

Let us just consider Spain, the people of Spain were conquered by the Moors. People of African heritage who spread Islam throughout Spain. Looking at Europe from a grander scale there have been movement from Neanderthals, Cro-Magnon in early human history. There has also been many empires stemming from the Middle East and Asian: Byzantine empire, Mongolian empire. Consider the near joining of the Roman and Egyptian empires. Consider the movement of religions such as Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, all stemming from the Middle East.

Race and ethnicity are not really easy to determine. According to theories in sociology, race doesn't really exist. They usually use the terms ethnicity and culture to define a person's background.

To determine Matinez ethnic background really wouldn't be that easy. Culturally he is Latino, he speaks Spanish, hails from a Latin American country and is proud of his heritage. Ethnically he may have more European influence, but that wouldn't be too easy to state either. He may have Ameri-Indian influence, or different types of European influence.

For example, I am a dark Latino. Both of my parents are lightly complected. My girlfriend is a light Latina, one parent is lightly complected, where as her father is even darker than me. We obviously have European and Ameri-indian ancestry, but how much? I found out my great great grandfather was from France and her married an Ameri-Indian woman from Mexico. In his pictures he was just as dark as her, so where did his parents come from? They could have had Italian or middle eastern ancestry, maybe he just worked long hours in the sun, who knows.

Race and ethnicity isn't even to define, so why argue about it? Especially for someone else. The only person who can define themselves is themselves. I'm sure Sergio has his own thoughts about his ethnicity and I trust his opinion about himself more than anyone else.

 

:goodGood post!

 

Lol I discovererd that Im not white, and Penélope Cruz and Sicilians neither xDDD THIS fORUM IS AWESOME.

Si no lo veo no lo creo...

 

He's an extremely intelligent poster on fights and fighters, but he's being deliberately obtuse about this issue.

Apparently, Anarci has never met a person of 100% Spanish heritage. In his world, they don't exist. :rofl

 

My point is that you, as a Spaniard, have no leg to stand on when it comes to criticizing my nation's history on race.

No more, no less.

 

Yup. :deal

According to "cultural" experts like Anarci, there isn't any such thing as a white dude with a Spanish last name.

It simply doesn't exist in his worldview.

 

Dude, quit laughing and running your mouth and take me up on the bet. We'll have an esteemed writer at ESB ask Sergio if he's of mestizo ancestry or Spanish (ie from Spain) heritage..

You won't because, deep down inside, you know I am right.

 

Tell this to Anarci.

He and most "Latinos/hispanics" in this nation are evidently oblivious to the fact that white, Spanish speakers existed long before the modern advent of what we now consider as "Latino."

But let me make it simple for him: David Ortiz of the Boston Red Sox is "latino." Yet he speaks Spanish and embraces Spanish culture because Spanish speaking white dudes came across the pond and spread "latino" culture, including language.

Anarci has forgotten that there are still descendants of those Spanish speaking white guys in the Americas. :-(

 

THis is what Martinez said hoops^^^^^