Is floyd really a coward? Debunking the myths!

I think I get it now. Floyd has to fight Godzilla and King Kong in order to not have any advantages over an opponent.:deal

 

do you or do you not agree that floyd prefers low risk, high reward fights? floyd likes taking the path of least resistance. most will agree to this. in terms of expectations for this kind of talent, this is not the path people want him to take.

 

there is a big difference between smart cherrypicking and being a coward.

 

High risk low reward! Does that make him a coward?? Remember thats what this thread is about

 

You have to define what Floyd is scared of, and what you think a coward is.

Is he scared of fighting? Is he scared of being hit? Is he scared of pain? No, no pro boxer is scared of this stuff.

Is he scared of losing his 0? Potentially yes. A lot of fighters hate the idea of losing. Is he scared that Pac might beat him? It sure looks like it.

You could be the most hardassed fighter on the planet, but still have a fear of something - heights, enclosed spaces, **** like that.

No pro fighter is a coward in the sense that they are scared of being in a fight, or of the physical pain of taking a beating.

But being a coward isn't just about that. I think Floyd has demonstrated cowardice by being a woman-beater. I think he has demonstrated cowardice by being too scared of defeat. Not because of the physical pain, but because of the damage it would do to his ego.

There are many ways of being a coward. If you only look at one definition, of being scared of physical pain, then Floyd isn't a coward. If you look at other definitions, then yes he is.

 

:rofl

people are dumb

 

Im pretty sure Floyd isn't a coward. He can be an ass sometimes but I find the **** hilarious. Has Floyd fought all of the opposition presented to him? Hell no, but he does have a good resume. At 130 he fought Genaro and beat him. Then he beat the number 1 ranked guy in Chico. He goes up to 135 and beats the champion of the division in Castillo. Rematches him and beats him again. Goes up to 140 and fights the number one guy in Gatti. Goes up to 147 and beats the number 2 guy Zab Judah. After beating Zab he goes and beats the champion of the division, Baldomir. Goes up to 154 and beats the number 3 ranked light middle, Oscar De La Hoya. After he retires he comes back and beats the number 1 ranked welter and the number 3 P4P fighter, Shane Mosley. He has fought good fighters so I really can't call him a coward.

 

Tell me what the high risk are? Margarito? Cotto? Prime Mosley who Floyd tried to fight? Have you ever looked at the entire picture. It amazes me that the guys people say he ducked are the guys promoted by Bob Arum. :rofl I remember Bob Arum saying Cotto wasn't ready for Floyd. I remember Floyd offereing to fight Margarito if Arum would guarantee him 10 million for Hatton and 10 million for Cotto. With his kind of talent he has to fight Godzilla or a ****ing predator to get respect in the eyes of many. When he beats Manny they will make excuses and then say he is scared of Martinez and so on.

 

1) Ali and Leonard have better resumes than Floyd Mayweather Jr and undoubtedly faced bigger better challenges than Mayweather.

2) O.k so Floyd faced Castillo and Corrales, isn't that what Boxers are supposed to do?

Oscar I give him less credit for, after all he was old and Floyd had the inside scoop on him as his Father trained and knew all about the aged opponent .

Make no mistake, Team Mayweather knew they could coast to a decision here, IMO.

3) I give Floyd props for taking Shanes best shots and emerging victorious. Time will tell if there was a reason Floyd fought the fight the way he did, ie - it's possible he himself has slowed up a bit or indeed that Shane's reflexes are all but gone. We'll judge that when both fighters have fought again.

4) Again, props to Floyd for taking two big shots but I'd argue that being the defensive wizard he is that he fully expected to evade any such shots. No way did Floyd go in there thinking he would just LET Shane hit him with his best shots and tough it out ..... no way!

5) These guys are both divas, more recently we have Team Floyd saying take the test and we have a fight and we have Manny himself saying he'll take the test. We'll see what happens .......

6) I think you're right here, or close anyway. IMO, the OSDT request was meant as an insult to Manny, they wanted to get inside his head and if he accepted they'd insult him throughout the entire build-up to the fight. IMO they also know about Manny being spooked by same-day blood tests since he lost to Morales. (arguably, they simply knew Manny would walk from such demands)

7) Floyd and his teams rants that clearly are racist and insulting to Manny are undefendable. Maybe his personal problems are partly to blame for his state of mind which led him to make these outrageous comments but that is irrelevant, you simply cannot defend the outbursts.


In conclusion, I won't question Floyd's bravery, however, it is naive to suggest Manny Pacquiao is making a big error and believes that Floyd fears him, presumptious and stupid even.

In fact you're right, it is "strange" that you think this. :deal

 

if there is one right now and since no one stands a chance at 147 and below, and if floyd really wanted a high risk high reward fight, he could take on sergio. he has the tools to do so as he is much more talented.

in the past, yes it would have been great to see, tszyu, cotto, margo, pac, younger shane on his resume. i think he beats all of them, but if would have been great if he had actually done it. then he would have provided us with really good fights.

 

Your logic is ****ed up. You say Floyd knew he would walk from the testing but Team Pacquiao agreed to the testing from the start and then pulled out and started the games. Then they said they agreed again but turned out to be a lie. Rants on Manny. Who gives a ****, this is boxing not golf. You that casual fan Arum speaks of.:hi:

 

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You are right but you just can't blame him for those fights not happening. Hell if Arum would have gave him what he asked for we would have seen the Margarito, Cotto, Hatton, and Oscar fight with Floyd under Top Rank. I tell you what, if you want to watch Mayweather vs Margarito then just watch Mayweather vs Corrales bc it would have looked the same way.

 

By the system put forward from the boxing commissions,it is simply inevitable that when placing a large amount of leverage into the Champion or big draws hands that cherry picking and advantages will be utilised.

I use to blame Floyd and dispute his claims,but really what he does is no different to any other Champion out there barring very few. The difference between Floyd and every other is the fact that Floyd has still got the '0' to his name and out wits all of his opponents barring that one Castillo fight. This meaning Floyd is at the top to be shot down, kind of like Paquiao has recently become now being target numero uno in Floyd's retirement.

Point being that in this day and age, every fighter is likely to milk and draw as much money as possible from the brutal sport of boxing with the least amount of risk possible simply because they can get away with it. In fact I would go as far to say that it is only the lesser intelligent fighters with the least intelligent management that choose to fight whoever and whenever, which leads to these type of guys becoming exposed quicker. (Pavlik,Williams and Taylor spring to mind...Many others could back this point)

Now when you compare the longevity and money made in their careers compared to Calzaghe,B-Hop and Mayweather who have gone on much longer unbeaten runs with JC and PBF going completely unbeaten, it becomes very clear that fortune does unfortunately not favour the brave in today's modern era.In fact this theory probably dates back quite far in boxing's history to the date where matchmaking was out of the fighters hands.

(In the past 10 years IMO Pac-Man is the biggest exception to this rule)

In conclusion, the only possible way for boxing to put on the fights everybody wants to see is by taking the ball out of the boxer's court and establishing one boxing commission that rules the roost and makes decisions that favours the sport and not one particular boxer.By doing this, the idea of having one ultimate boxer who cannot be beaten will disappear. By this I mean the sport will evolve and the '0' in every boxer's record will have to go at some point, just like the word undefeated can never be used in other sports because the thought of the two best not competing against each other is nothing short of lunacy.

The knock on effect would be brilliant for boxer's,something that many would find hard to comprehend. But by losses becoming more common to the elite, the fact that one slip up,one lack of concentration and one KO punch will never again define the outcome and ruin so many careers like it has done in the past.I would also like to point out that this will most likely lead to more exciting fights as the risk factor of losing everything you have worked your whole career for in one fight will no longer be in the back of the boxer's mind. The dreaded words that I despise so much (washed up) will not be banded around based on one or two fights and real discussions of who is the best will be based on conclusive evidence and consistency rather than if,but's and maybe's.

But hell, maybe I should tell everyone something we don't already know!

 

You are a ****ing lunatic, go and read my post again or just get the **** out of here dickhead! :hi: