Shane's Blueprint: To be Competitive.

Colpolite · Dec 24, 2010

Shane needs to hit Pac more than Pac will hit him back

RedHots · Dec 24, 2010

Requiem4Hvywht said: ↑

First let me say I don't think my cousin can win. The Mora fight was the first fight in which afterward I felt Shane was old and needed to retire. I will say though that I thought Mora from the beginning was a terrible choice in opponent. He is tall, extremely defensive, and not shy about holding.

Now with all that said I believe Shane's only chance at making this a "COMPETITIVE" fight at this stage of his career is the following:

1. Let the Pacman; No "MAKE" the Pacman come forward. Pac likes to come forward but when he is in control he comes forward at very advantageous angles to himself. But if he is forced to reach he tends to "SQUARE UP" totally "NEUTRALIZING" his southpaw stance.

This doesn't mean Shane needs to dance around the ring. All Shane needs to do is "CONSISTENTLY take a step back & to the side every time Pac steps forward.

Shane also will need to use his "JAB" as his main scoring weapon. Some will "IMMEDIATELY" cry foul at this suggestion. You will say, "Shane doesn't have a jab!" Yes he does. And guys like Morales and Margarito have shown that your jab doesn't need to be Holmes like. ****, Margarito's jab comes out like a "WAVE". But Margarito's slow jab hit Pacman "CONSISTENTLY" every time Margarito threw it.

Now why should Shane step back and let Pacman come forward? Because it is the best way to "NEUTRALIZE" Pac's southpaw stance. The stance will only "MAGNIFY" itself when you are chasing the southpaw around and he is giving you all kinds of angles. But if the southpaw you are fighting is "PRONE" to being overly aggressive, and "SQUARES" himself up often when he fires a combination, it only makes sense to make him come forward.

Because Shane is taller, has a significantly longer reach, and still has quick hands himself. He doesn't need to have the best legs at this stage of his career to execute this plan. Shane is just trying to create the need for Pac to come forward and reach at times.

Once Shane establishes his jab then he will be able to hook off of it. Unlike PBF, Shane has never been very adept at right hand leads....NEVER.....NEVER EVER! But Manny is actually very susceptible to left hook counters. The left hook as a counter punch is the KEY explosive punch for shane in this fight.

Why? Because I believe he throws a much better lead hook and counter hook than he does a right hand. He has better timing with it. Shane should use his right hands down at pacs body in uppercut motions when Pac is trying to flurry. Besides Pac is going to be looking for the right hand all day and all night.

Now something else that is important for Shane to do, is to make Manny punch less. Marquez accomplished this at times by forcing Manny to be hyper aware of being countered. Shane can't do it that way because he "HAS NEVER" been as good as Marquez at that type of fight, and because currently he doesn't have the reflexes.

But he still can counter Pac, but he must make them telling blows. If Shane can't hurt Pac then he can't keep the fight competitive. And I don't mean stun him, I mean Pac eyes get big kinda hurt and his own survival instincts kick in. Undoubtedly Pac may get stunned, and when this happens you can bet your last dollar Pac will try to come back immediately with flurries of punches.

THIS IS KEY.....SHANE MUST DO THIS IN RESPONSE: When Pac tries to flurry up top Shane must fire right hand and left hand uppercuts to the body. No more than two or three at the very most. Then he must use his shoulder to push Manny up against the ropes, tie him up, and crowd him to the point Manny can't get room to punch. Much in the same way he did to Margo.

NO ONE HAS DONE THIS TO MANNY......they always give him room. He isn't PBF. You can crowd and smother him on the ropes.

So to recap: Shane when in the middle of the ring, should make pac come forward, take advantage of his height and reach advantage. Use the jab more than ever as a point getter and range finder. Look to use the left hook as the explosive lead and counter punch to pac's lead left. Stop pac's flurries by going to the body when he begins them, then immediately tie him up and force him to the ropes, where you rough him up, and smother him.

DO NOT TRADE WITH MANNY EARLY! I REPEAT DO NOT TRADE WITH MANNY EARLY. It will only lead to Shane being KO'D. If he ever gets pac down closer to his speed then look to trade because SHANE DOES HAVE THE BETTER PUNCH and the BETTER CHIN. But Shane can't afford to lose any strength in the fight because I don't think he will get pac to slow down.

I don't expect him to be successful enough because I expect pac to make adjustments and recognize the danger and to stay clear. I expect pac to find a way to win a UD after realizing that Shane can be dangerous if he is careless.
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His gameplan should be... Shane's your cousin?? :admin

Requiem4Hvywht · Dec 24, 2010

I don't think steroids are going to help.....**** I didn't think Shane look to good in the 2nd DLH though I thought he pulled it out. He looked stiff as hell.

Shane needs to hit Pac more than Pac will hit him back
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Hahahahahaha....yeah **** it I like this plan everything else fails.

Requiem4Hvywht · Dec 24, 2010

i didn't read his entire post but damn did he mention it AGAIN!?
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Yeah well he is.....aint he......hahahahaha. What you should be giving me credit for is I can analyze Shane's fights and be more honest about his strengths and weaknesses than MOST of you can with fighters WHO YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW, HAVE NEVER MET, WILL NEVER MEET, AND HAVE ZERO CONNECTION TO.....but you act as if they were your children.

By the way what the **** is up with the avatar did you lose a bet or something?

dvb · Dec 24, 2010

its all easier said than done,sounds like your saying sugar shane needs to not act like sugar shane to win.

pac knows the danger of shanes power,and will have to fight very cautiously in the first few rounds.

the counters is what might hurt shane,and the movement as always will give shane problems.
i worry this fight will be one sided with shane not being able to deal with so many wierd high number of combinations and then pac moving out of range or away and thus oppening another angle of attack before shane even knows whats going on.

if floyd does go to jail and stops the fight ever happening,i wouldltn mind shane and pac winning a fight each vs each other, with pac fighting marquez in the middle,and shane schooling berto inbetween.

shanes long arms,fast punches and big power are all real threats.
i dont expect shane to win rounds,but hes always going for the KO.

i worry shane cannot always stick to a strict game plan when it comes to boxers and movers. his jab normally is pawing more often than not.

ide rather they let shane build up wins and confidence and form again,by beating berto,cotto,fighting williams.

Requiem4Hvywht · May 2, 2011

Bumping this as the fight is close. This is what I think Shane should do and if you watched the 3rd innstallment of 360 then I think you will agree a lot of what is in this thread will be attempted by shane and naz

41fever · May 2, 2011

PBF isnt 1 dimensional and neither is PAC now.

Shane just has to keep a good workrate and invest in the body. His size and wits should keep him in the late rds. That's when he has to trust his bodywork and gameplan. If they go toe to toe, damn, SSM size could b a factor.

markq · May 2, 2011

Shane and his trainer can formulate any strategy they want. Shane can't execute it. Shane is old and shot period. This is yet another example of how today's supposedly great fighters pad their resumes by fighting shot name fighters.

Hatesrats · May 2, 2011

AceNguyen said: ↑

Shane can not fight going backwards and can not snap a jab that could kill a house fly. He's never shown the ability to do either, it's crazy to think that he could now.

The only shot he has is to smother Pacquiao, push him against the ropes and hope to hand a haymaker in exchanges.
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:good ^This.

If Team Mosley think they can "BOX" Pac to a decision :nut
(& it's not because the skill level or how amazing Manny is, bottom line Shane is too old to execute that plan)

Check the mistake they made in the Cotto fight, Showed too much respect.
Come out guns blazing KNOCKOUT or get KNOCKEDOUT. (Cali style)

PH|LLA · May 2, 2011

I think Shane can knock Manny out if he catches him with one of those monster hooks to the body early and then goes berzerk

Ripper11 · May 2, 2011

Good assessment. I really hope Shane doesn't try the I'm bigger and stronger approach against Manny and fight him similar to what you['re saying

Farmboxer · May 2, 2011

Balco

Requiem4Hvywht · May 2, 2011

Hatesrats said: ↑

:good ^This.

If Team Mosley think they can "BOX" Pac to a decision :nut
(& it's not because the skill level or how amazing Manny is, bottom line Shane is too old to execute that plan)

Check the mistake they made in the Cotto fight, Showed too much respect.
Come out guns blazing KNOCKOUT or get KNOCKEDOUT. (Cali style)
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Shane didn't box cotto and he didn't brawl either. In that fight Shane simply performed poorly. Shane IMO underestimated cotto, and thought cotto was just going to sit and trade.

Shane used absolutely no footwork. Then once he decided to pressure, he failed to really push cotto, because I suspect he wasn't in his best shape. Shane has to take the blame for that loss and what sucks is that I know Shane was better than cotto at that time.

I don't know how Shane and his dad missed the signs that cotto was going to box. Fighthype had footage of cotto with randal Bailey and he was fighting whole rounds off the back foot. I even did a thread about cottos plan to utilize lateral movement.

I'm glad Shane is with naz now though I don't mean to take anything away from jack.

anarci · May 2, 2011

Requiem4Hvywht said: ↑

First let me say I don't think my cousin can win. The Mora fight was the first fight in which afterward I felt Shane was old and needed to retire. I will say though that I thought Mora from the beginning was a terrible choice in opponent. He is tall, extremely defensive, and not shy about holding.

Now with all that said I believe Shane's only chance at making this a "COMPETITIVE" fight at this stage of his career is the following:

1. Let the Pacman; No "MAKE" the Pacman come forward. Pac likes to come forward but when he is in control he comes forward at very advantageous angles to himself. But if he is forced to reach he tends to "SQUARE UP" totally "NEUTRALIZING" his southpaw stance.

This doesn't mean Shane needs to dance around the ring. All Shane needs to do is "CONSISTENTLY take a step back & to the side every time Pac steps forward.

Shane also will need to use his "JAB" as his main scoring weapon. Some will "IMMEDIATELY" cry foul at this suggestion. You will say, "Shane doesn't have a jab!" Yes he does. And guys like Morales and Margarito have shown that your jab doesn't need to be Holmes like. ****, Margarito's jab comes out like a "WAVE". But Margarito's slow jab hit Pacman "CONSISTENTLY" every time Margarito threw it.

Now why should Shane step back and let Pacman come forward? Because it is the best way to "NEUTRALIZE" Pac's southpaw stance. The stance will only "MAGNIFY" itself when you are chasing the southpaw around and he is giving you all kinds of angles. But if the southpaw you are fighting is "PRONE" to being overly aggressive, and "SQUARES" himself up often when he fires a combination, it only makes sense to make him come forward.

Because Shane is taller, has a significantly longer reach, and still has quick hands himself. He doesn't need to have the best legs at this stage of his career to execute this plan. Shane is just trying to create the need for Pac to come forward and reach at times.

Once Shane establishes his jab then he will be able to hook off of it. Unlike PBF, Shane has never been very adept at right hand leads....NEVER.....NEVER EVER! But Manny is actually very susceptible to left hook counters. The left hook as a counter punch is the KEY explosive punch for shane in this fight.

Why? Because I believe he throws a much better lead hook and counter hook than he does a right hand. He has better timing with it. Shane should use his right hands down at pacs body in uppercut motions when Pac is trying to flurry. Besides Pac is going to be looking for the right hand all day and all night.

Now something else that is important for Shane to do, is to make Manny punch less. Marquez accomplished this at times by forcing Manny to be hyper aware of being countered. Shane can't do it that way because he "HAS NEVER" been as good as Marquez at that type of fight, and because currently he doesn't have the reflexes.

But he still can counter Pac, but he must make them telling blows. If Shane can't hurt Pac then he can't keep the fight competitive. And I don't mean stun him, I mean Pac eyes get big kinda hurt and his own survival instincts kick in. Undoubtedly Pac may get stunned, and when this happens you can bet your last dollar Pac will try to come back immediately with flurries of punches.

THIS IS KEY.....SHANE MUST DO THIS IN RESPONSE: When Pac tries to flurry up top Shane must fire right hand and left hand uppercuts to the body. No more than two or three at the very most. Then he must use his shoulder to push Manny up against the ropes, tie him up, and crowd him to the point Manny can't get room to punch. Much in the same way he did to Margo.

NO ONE HAS DONE THIS TO MANNY......they always give him room. He isn't PBF. You can crowd and smother him on the ropes.

So to recap: Shane when in the middle of the ring, should make pac come forward, take advantage of his height and reach advantage. Use the jab more than ever as a point getter and range finder. Look to use the left hook as the explosive lead and counter punch to pac's lead left. Stop pac's flurries by going to the body when he begins them, then immediately tie him up and force him to the ropes, where you rough him up, and smother him.

DO NOT TRADE WITH MANNY EARLY! I REPEAT DO NOT TRADE WITH MANNY EARLY. It will only lead to Shane being KO'D. If he ever gets pac down closer to his speed then look to trade because SHANE DOES HAVE THE BETTER PUNCH and the BETTER CHIN. But Shane can't afford to lose any strength in the fight because I don't think he will get pac to slow down.

I don't expect him to be successful enough because I expect pac to make adjustments and recognize the danger and to stay clear. I expect pac to find a way to win a UD after realizing that Shane can be dangerous if he is careless.
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Good post:good I can tell you have boxed before.. Shanes cousin? Is this Larry Mosley?

Requiem4Hvywht · May 2, 2011

anarci said: ↑

Good post:good I can tell you have boxed before.. Shanes cousin? Is this Larry Mosley?
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No. Shane's mom is my first cousin. Shane is my 2nd cousin. Shane's moms maiden name is armstead as is my mothers. My moms dad and shane's moms dad were brothers (now deceased).

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