Who has accomplished more in their career- ODLH or Shane Mosley?

In the ring only.

 

Dumb question.

 

dlh, not even close.

 

oscar.

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DLH, If Mosley pulls of the u[set against Pac This thread could be a lot different tho!

 

Oscar easily... you go down the list in oscars prime he fought an beat a ton of HOF fighters.. not to mention he got jipped in a few big fights..But nothin taken away from shane hes had a very steady career an is a future HOF as well ..

 

Oscar, no question.

 

Lets Examine this question closely. But everyone must understand one thing first, DLH was a CROSS OVER STAR and therefore could make any fight he so desired because the handlers of fighters who had no chance to beat him, would still have their fighter fight DLH because there was more money to be made fighting him than holding onto a title belt.

The above MUST be understood!

DLH - 130lb belt MEANINGLESS (BREDAHL) / Best Comp at weight - Chicanito
DLH - 135lb belt MEANINGLESS (RUELAS) / Best Comp at weight - Miguel Angel Gonzalez
DLH - 140lb belt MEANINGLESS (CHAVEZ) / Best Comp at weight - Randall or Tsyzu


Both Chicanito and Miguel were NOT given a fight at their prime weight, and when they were on a roll by DLH. Both guys were forced to move up in weight to fight the much naturally bigger DLH.

It should also be noted, it wasn't until 140lb that DLH actually fought at the weight he won a title in. DLH up to that point was fighting in what are called "Over the limit" fights. For example, DLH is supposedly fighting as a jr lightweight but for all non-title bouts he is coming in over the jr lightweight limit. DLH would ONLY make the limit for the title fight ONLY.

This is also why Arum chose NOT to put DLH in with the best those divisions had to offer, because DLH was in fact weak at those weights. But they coveted the belts as a marketing tool.

DLH's real career begins at 147lb. This is when he is finally taking on the best the division has to offer, and his competition is NOT moving up to fight him, and they are equally talented. This is his record in those big fights in his prime:

DLH vs Whitaker - DLH Win
DLH vs Quartey - DLH Win
DLH vs Trinidad - DLH Lost
DLH vs Mosley - DLH Lost
DLH vs Vargas - DLH Win
DLH vs Mosley - DLH Lost

Anything that happens after this I don't hold against DLH because those are fights when he is past his prime. I don't agree with all of these decisions, but even when I put my personal spins on them DLH still comes out 3 and 3 (FYI - I had DLH losing to Quartey clearly and I had him winning a close decision over Trinidad)

DLH was a good fighter, and though it took him a while to fight the best, when he did he had mixed results. He was elite, but he was NOT head and shoulders above the other elites. It is also important to NOTE that DLH is NOT in the top 10 of any division he fought in, of any boxing historian that I know of. Not one! He also NEVER dominated any division that he was in.

DLH's titles at 147lb won by defeating Whitaker and at 154lb (Not the Castielljo win), but the win against Vargas are his REAL LEGIT CHAMPIONSHIPS. He fought and defeated a Champion, and NOT SOME VACANT BELT! And the guys he fought were LEGIT.

Now lets do Shane:

Mosley vs Holiday - 135lb / Mosley Win
Mosley vs DLH - 147lb / Mosley Win
Mosley vs DLH - 154lb / Mosley Win

Shane's title wins at these weights were NOT against SUB PAR competition for some VACANT belt, but against an ACTUAL CREDIBLE CHAMP.

Shane DOMINATED the 135lb division, 8 title defenses all by knock out. Shane could NOT GET any of the other champs to fight him. And by the time "LiL But Bad" Stevie Johnston agreed to, Shane and his dad had already decided to jump up two weight classes to take on DLH. By the time this took place Shane was already "29" years old. To put that into perspective Cotto is now 30 years old and is considered damaged goods. But he has also been in how many PPV fights already in his career? The vast majority of Shane's prime was missed by the casual boxing fan, and he had no big cross over fights to endear him to the public.

In Shane's first fight at welter Shane took on a LEGIT top ten contender in Wilfredo Rivera. Shane's losses in his prime came against the following:

Mosley vs Forrest I & II
Mosley vs Winky I & II

After the 2nd Winky fight Mosley was on the decline. In fact Shane was on the decline about the time of the 2nd DLH fight. Shane was 32 years old at the time. Like DLH anything that happened good or bad I don't even consider after this point because Shane is past his prime.

Now with Shane you don't get all the fancy names, but Shane was NOT a cross over star so he had no ability to make fights with his fellow champions at lightweight. And after he beat DLH at welter the division was a GHOST TOWN, the only thing left was a fight against the very much avoided Vernon Forrest. The stars had all but left the building, DLH to 154lb, Ike to semi retirement then 154lb, Tito to 154lb then 160lb, and Whitaker retired.

Shane in fact is considered a top 5 lightweight by many boxing historians, including Ring Editor Nigel Collins. Where as DLH is not in the top 10 of any division he ever campaigned at.

Shane does NOT have the multitude of HOF names that DLH has that were fought in DLH's prime and his opponents (Tito, Mosley, Vargas, Quartey), but I believe Shane's dominance at lightweight, his dominance over DLH head to head, make Shane's career very comparable to DLH's.

DLH's career has the flash that a cross over star should have, but I believe there is more than enough substance in Shane's that at best the following can be concluded:

DLH had the better career, more titles, more HOF names, etc...etc.

But Shane Mosley was the better fighter. In fact many boxing historians argue currently that Shane Mosley may be the best fighter to come out of Southern Californian. Don't believe me, GOOGLE it.

 

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Oscar easy. I like Shane Mosley more but Oscar has accomplished alot more than Shane. No explanation needed.

 

do pac vs floyd next:thumbsup

 

No one would listen, too much fan boy around those two. Both are really good, I have been a long time PBF fan, way before the fan boys. I was never a Pac fan, maybe because I was MAB and JMM fan. But he is very impressive too.

I think I will wait til these guys lose when people are a little more open to listen.

 

No questions asked shanes a great fighter.. but him sliding out of his prime at 31 32 no way... shane is bout to be 40 fighting the p4p best(obviously hes now past it) but i think he started sliding a few years ago.. people forget oscar fought Chavez who was p4p # 1 at the time after oscar dominated him whitkar was moved to P4P # 1( i think they were 1 & 2 due to there fight resulting in a draw) then oscar beats him.. it wasnt flashy but he still won IMO.. you also say Miguel angel gonzales was the best in that weight.. did you forget oscar beat him also.. then he fought guys like Oba carr who was a very good fighter.. beat quartey .. and at that time no one even knew who kosta tszyu was(he got known after beating a very old chavez 6 or 7 years after oscar did) oscar dominated 140 then dominated welter weight ..his first fight at 147 is against pernell which is not easy fight at ALL..an just whipes out the division an creates a super fight with Tito which was highway robberey .. has a close fight with shane then IMO beats a roided up shane in a rematch an got robbed again.. an after that i think oscars heart wasnt in it anymore.. waiting a year an half between every fight.. then comes back KO's mayorga an fights P4P # AGAIN .. Mayweather which i think could have gone either way .. i say tht because oscar was champ an that fight was just a glorified sparring match

so look at the level of competiton.. Oscar was a superstar because he hated tune ups an fought the best with each fight even when ppl told him he couldnt ..

just a few fighters he fought an beat

Jorge Paez-champ an fav. to win tht fight an DLH decapitates him lol
John John Molina -Belt holder an very good fighter
Rafeal rueleas-also Fav. to win.. get KO's in 2
Genaro Hernandez- done in 6..also a beltholder at a time pretty decent fighter
Jessie james leija- very good fighter but ko'd in 2
Chavez -No need for explination but i will point out that ppl like to say he was old but he was only 31 or 32 not a spring chicken but was still P4P # 1 or 2 at the time with a record of 101 - 1 - 2
Miguel Angel Gonzalez = great fighter an DLH dominated him
Sweet Pea - again no need to explain lol all time great IMO an ranked # 1 P4P when he fought him
Hector Camacho - great fighter but was straight defensive fight at tht point in his career an got dominated in a funny fight
Chavez -Again
Quartey - everyone avoided this guy an he tested oscar but DLH showed what he was made of an came back for epic 12th rd
Oba Carr- very good boxer /puncher Ko'd in the 12th...
Trinidad- PLZZZ this dude is a HOFer an DLH whipped him silly an just gave him a clinic.. i had him winning 3 rounds in tht fight an even in thos rounds oscar ran..tito never really hit him lol
Shane Mosely- you already know bout his credentials close fight tht shane edged out but could have been a draw but not taking it away from shane
Gatti- lets just be real DLH was way to big for him this fight should have been stoped in the 1st
Javier Castiello = mehhh b level fighter good tune up tho
Vargas(juiced up) - very god fighter an exciting fight DLH silenced alot of critics
Yori boy campos- real good fighter but never showed heart in the big fights
Shane Mosley again(Juiced up lol) - i thought oscar won this fight by a wide margin..look at shanes face when they annouce him as the winner an that says it all
An Mayorga-big name an big puncher but his form is amature

so there you go.. i think its pretty clear... an yes im very bored so hopefully someone can debate with me lol

 

Damn Good Post....Thanks man. We need good posters like this. I would have love to see how this would have looked if Mosley didn't try to avenge losses to Winky and Forrest...and moved on to Tito and Vargas (much eariler in his career) and If Oscar had faced Winky and Forrest. But as it stands...OSCAR BY A LONG SHOT!!!

 

Oscar accomplished more and he fought slight better competition. Shane had no business fighting Winky Wright, too big and too defensive. It was a lose-lose situation.