Pacquiao irrefutably outperformed Floyd against Shane

The mosley floyd fought was coming off a jaw dropping win against the iron chinned margarito. Floyd destroyed this mosley.

Pac was fighting a mosley not only being destroyed by mayweather but he look like **** against mora so much so people said mosley is completely shot.

Yet pac signs to fight him, and all pac fans do is want to compare performances.

Truth is pacfans are butt hurt because they wanted to be the first man to stop shane, and pac failed big time. Not only did he fail, but he showed the problems he has when chasing guys. Shane is no floyd, yet he did a great job in making pac look very ordinary at times. floyd will detonate at will on pac head with the lead right if he performs like that.

Roach knows that pac can't beat mayweather now, that's why he was so quiet, he saw it himself

 

Fighter A because he landed more. That's what count in boxing for a decision win. You win if you land more. example Clottey-Pac. Clottey landed 27% of his total 399, Pac landed "only" 20% of his total 1231, but Pac wins because he landed more.

 

Not even close.



And Mosley actually tried to win against Floyd.


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Good analysis of the fight. I usually don't catch stuff like that upon first viewing but what I do remember the first and last time I watched it was Mosley's defense (Mayweather has the best now) and Mosley's right hand catching Pacquiao usually when he threw it whether up top or to the body (Mayweather is the best at potshotting and his right hand is the best). Another thing is that Pacquiao lacked a Plan B and instead of just being patient and countering Shane's lazy jab or pick his shots better, he sticked to throwing the same 1-2 or 1-2-3 combos without going to the body enough. He headhunted much of the fight to the point where it became pretty predictable. Those made me worry for Pacquiao in the fantasy fight with Floyd but ring rust and Floyd's lack of facing fast fighters recently would be Pacquiao's best chance to win. I really think Floyd wins very clearly if he's not too faded or rusty.

Manny still has it in him to ruin the fast but low ring IQ Khan. Manny didn't ruin Cotto as a fighter because he's still fighting well at 154. Marg took away Cotto's prime.

 

I dont buy into the whole "psychological" damage as much as others do. For one, theres no way of determining the damage, we aint proffesor X who can go into someones mind... 2nd, as much as people say boxing is mental, it is, its more physical. One can control his mind, they cant control their body if it wont go ie trying to lift 250kg when your max is 100kg. As far as I'm aware, Mosley had the same speed and power and same **** stamina going into the Floyd/Pac fight. Pac's power made him even more defensive and less output...this isnt the first time its happened, Clottey did it too and hes a lot younger than Shane.

 

Floyd gets a lot more credit for stepping up against a "perceived" much more dangerous opponent but thats it, its just perception. The reality is, its pretty much the same Mosley. Floyd exposed Mosley to have been the shot fighter that he was, Pac was fighting that same shot fighter knowing he was shot. Floyd fought that shot fighter not knowing he was shot. Either way, he was shot.

 

Id say the victories are comparable

Manny and Floyd have two way different styles but won almost flawlessly

Floyd was hurt early but counter punches his way to a dominating victory and even stood in the pocket for much of the bout

Manny won virtually every round pressuring his opponent and coming forward dropping Shane once but also being dropped once him self

To say one guy did better is preposterous because their styles are so different, However they both dominated Mosley in their own way

Manny came at him and threw a lot more shots scored a knockdown and just kept coming forward vs a guy on the retreat

Floyd beat Shane going forward backward sideways he threw way less than Manny but landed more accurately and only landed about 20 fewer not a big difference

Floyd had a fresher Shane who was more willing to fight back and not retreat the whole night

two totally different encounters I'd say they were about even in performance

 

Thats something I didn't pick up on that you pointed out. Manny didn't have a plan B and I thought he was hard done by his corner (Roach to be honest) who didn't give him any real direction on what to do I thought. This too has been discussed in another thread but I thinK Roach knew Shane was going to tire and that Manny would start to widen the points decision in his favour at that point. Yet Roach wasn't telling him during the mid-rounds to cut the ring off, force Shane no room to move away and then throw the big shots and the combinations. I did think he headhunted too much, not sure why. Maybe he was weary of Shane's power if he left himself open to counter from body shots? I'm not too sure.

I agree with you on Floyd, his inactivity means he is fighting less fighters and therefore hasn't faced a fast fighter since Judah maybe Hatton. My fault on the Cotto point but I didn't mean ruined as in as a fighter, I was just using ruined to replace beat up and he really beat Cotto up in there fight. I don't think Khan's speed would worry Manny personally, Khan comes forward, right down the middle when hes on the attack and leaves himself open. Same with Bradley. I think that is what Manny like, a fighter who leaves himself open as he comes forward on the attack, where Manny can fire away with his powerful right hooks and straight lefts, mixing in some nice body shots. I think Marquez would have the right style advantage over Manny, the problem is Marquez does't have the defence and is still easy to find when you go force the fight on him, I don't think he can move away quick enough, and I think his chin may fail him at the higher weight. If you could get a fighter with Khan's footspeed and quick hands, and Marquez style then you have a fighter to beat Manny, but I don't think either can do it with the tools alone they have.

I was actually really drunk before the fight and had just sobered up enough before the Arce fight, yet by the time the Mosley-Pacquiao fight had started, I was shouting at the TV for Mosley to counter Manny while he was open coming forward. It dawned on me by about round 7 that Mosley just couldn't fire the shots off and I really started to feel sad because at that moment I realised he was well on his way to being shot. Something I had suspected before the fight but its hard to take when one of your favourite fighters is effectively done.

 

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How could it be the same shot mosley, when shane got a hell of a beating at the hands of floyd?:huh

You think that beating didn't effect shane in anyway?

 

Pacquiao looked **** technique and style wise, he couldn't dismantle shane or even really penetrate other than a few power shots. im not sure of his normal great movement, high punch combinations and conditioning. Floyd Mayweather looked a lot more affective dismantling and beating Shane.

Trust me i am not a floyd mayweather fan or a "*******"

 

Hahaha, I love this.

I swear, I am now 99% sure that not only will he beat Pac, Mayweather is going to make Pac look like a FOOL!

 

Pac did win every round but he didnt win in pac-man fashion..:fire he won in mayweather fashion.. it was a boring fight!

 

The only one looking like a fool is you bald

 

where are all the tards who swore after they saw floyd whoop shane that pac would knock him out easy...within 3-6 rounds....same guys who said it before the fight ...."im positive it will no go more than 6".....

now they all cry that shane ran.....face it folks...shane had no business getting this fight or payday.....so he does....praises manny....even throws jabs at floyd during press conferences.....gets 5 mil...sprinkles in a knockdown for pac....and runs with his never being ko'd streak in tact....

what a show

but dont forget "shane almost knocked floyd down in the 2nd round"...yaaaaaaaa!!! almost! awesome achievement!