I Can't See Anything Else Happening Apart From Haye Winning By KO

I think your last point is the real key here. I disagree, as I think that Haye will come in with an effective plan a, but also a good plan b if it doesn't work. It will all come down to whether WK's masterful understanding of range is enough to counter that. You could well be right, and I certainly don't rule it out. I think a lot of people miss that these two guys have actually been pretty complimentary of each other's abilities (forget Haye's trash, look at what he says when they're not in the same room). Neither is going to get a psychological edge. What I like about these guys is that they really do believe in their own abilities, but ain't so arrogant that they ignore their deficiencies.

either way, unless Haye gets sloppy (I doubt it) or WK takes an early risk (which I also doubt), this goes at least to round six and possibly all the way. No proper early finish, imo.

 

I wouldn't bet £200, but the odds are crazy.

 

Stamina has improved and he makes opponents miss - when he's careful and respects them (and you can bet that he really know the challenge in front of him). I'm not saying UD will happen, but these are two proper champs and such a result should never be ruled out at this level.

 

I think that's the problem, I dont see as Haye has a plan B, as he almost HAS to be aggressive, to negate Wlads long range game.

Haye has two ways to do things as far as I'm concerned, problem is, both are aggressive strategies, one just happens to be less dangerous than the other, and with Haye's chin/defense, and Wlads power........

Haye can either reset him with movement, then attack him off the angles his movement creates, but he might have to follow up his attacks when shoots in, cause Wlad will be the one on the front foot, which means he will have the whole of ring to step back away from those attacks, so Haye might have to follow up his attack to close that distance, to get inside, but as I say, this is a dangerous strategy if you dont choose the correct times to shoot in, or follow up, cause you can catch counters.

The only other way Haye can fight imo, is if he tries to get close to Wlad, make him reach, then counter from in the pocket, problem with that, is that fighters who are more adept at that skill(Byrd, Chambers) have already tried that, Chambers couldn't work his way inside Wlad's range, and Byrd got laid out trying to counter from in the pocket, plus, Haye is not good enough defensively to fight from mid range, he would get nailed eventually.

Haye has to take chances, Wlad doesn't, and the longer the fight goes, the more in favour of Wlad it becomes imo.

 

a version of your plan a is, well, what they're going to have to go for.

I'm not pre-judging (ie I have no idea) what plan b will be. i'd argue I've seen Haye fight several different ways in the past few years. He can't fight all styles, but he is versatile and his reflexes are good. I think there will be a lot of good head movement (previously a weakness) in this fight. There has to be.

I don't think Booth is a master-strategist, but he is very, very good with this particular fighter. People point out the Valuev fight was dull and others had beaten the beast (whether acknowledged or not), but, for me, Haye won virtually every minute of every round against an extremely awkward (not necessarily talented) opponent. That was unusual.

I would say that haye's defence is a bit better than you give him credit for. A fighter with a dodgy chin who has fought at a decent level his entire career (which he has) only gets stopped once for a reason: he knows how not to get hit.

 

Haye winning by decision is probably less likely than any other outcome. Frankly, I'd be shocked and it would be the upset of the year no doubt.

 

Haye will need more than head-movement imo, he will need to learn how to block and parry punches, cause if he thinks he's gonna exclusively slip or make Wlad's jab fall short, he's gonna get a shock, he will eat jabs if he doesn't keep his hands up to block, parry.

I actually think Valuev's size is a disadvantage, as its more of a cat and mouse game with him, and because of how slow and methodical he is, of hand and foot, he's not so hard for you to manoeuvre around, particularly someone athletically gifted like Haye. We have to remember, a 40+ year old Holyfield beat him, but got jobbed out of a decision, that said, Haye did fight an excellent fight, he executed the right game plan, I was impressed with how he executed it, as he'd previous always shown a wild side to his game, that said, there is a world of difference between Valuev and Wlad, Wlad is actually pretty quick, I dont think Haye realizes this either, as he keeps calling him slow, he's also good at cutting the ring off believe or not.


In my estimation Haye's has been fighting slow methodical guys where by its conducive for him to utilize his speed and pot-shot around, but against Wlad, he's in there with a guy with the physical dimensions combined with skill, speed and power, that his previous opponents didn't have. If Haye had showcased his defense against someone like this before, I would rate his defense more, but he's been stopped against Thompson, down against Moremeck, hurt by Mock, tagged by Ruiz.

 

People seem to neglect Wlad's footwork. It's not only a defensive mechanism.

 

Good post, but the brutal destruction will take place earlier than that in the fight, Haye will destroy him in the first half of the fight. :smoke

 

What a joke dude atsch If you want to support Haye that's ok, but even the worst britard should acknowledge that if Haye doesn't KO by round 4 he is up for a 12 round jabfest by Wlad.
K-bros boring style shouldn't blind you that much, they are effective and smart money is on them.

 

Well....good luck then.

 

Why do you bother. Haye fans can't read. Their sisters are typing for them.