Calm down - I am not here to claim that Pacquiao's defense is better than Mayweather's. Even my supreme degree of trolling skills couldn't formulate an argument to support that. This is merely a demonstration of the fact that, perhaps, Pacquiao's defense isn't as bad as some of you make it out to be and - you might want to sit down before you read this last part - it may actually be pretty good. This content is protected This content is protected : hit This content is protected times by Mosley, This content is protected power punches. This content is protected This content is protected : hit This content is protected times by Mosley, This content is protected power punches. This content is protected This content is protected : hit This content is protected times by DLH, This content is protected power punches. This content is protected This content is protected : hit This content is protected times by DLH, This content is protected power punches. This content is protected This content is protected : hit This content is protected times by Hatton, This content is protected power punches. This content is protected This content is protected : hit This content is protected times by Hatton, This content is protected power punches. This content is protected This content is protected : hit This content is protected times by Marquez, This content is protected power punches. This content is protected This content is protected : check back in November. :hey I didn't include Pac-JMM II in these stats because that fight took place 3 weight classes below where Mayweather-JMM did and where Pac-JMM III will. I think it's beyond obvious that the next fight will be a more apt comparison than the last one. The 3 other common fights took place within 1 weight class of each other. Now, I don't think Pacquiao can hope to hold JMM to anywhere close to a 12% connect rate, but I do think he can find a way to take less than 69 punches. And after all, that's really what it's all about, right? As said by the defensive master himself, "Ain't nothin' cool about gettin' punched in the face."
I wouldnt read anything into it. Mayweather fought a clearly better ODLH and his fight with Hatton lasted alot longer.
I disagree with ODLH being clearly better and I included connect rates for people who wanted to argue about the length of the fights. Oscar injured his shoulder against Mayweather. He actually threw more punches (per round) against Pacquiao.
Definitely not as bad as people on this forum claim. But Mayweathers overall defence is a lot more secure.
I agree with you 100%. He is one of the greatest defensive fighters of all time. But, again in his own words, "numbers don't lie." Many of Floyd's biggest fans have claimed Pacquiao has NO defense. But if the results of having arguably the BEST defense of all time and NO defense whatsoever are so similar...the value of defensive skill has to be next to nothing. It's no wonder a "one-dimensional" fighter had such an easy time inserting himself into ATG discussions - all those other dimensions are clearly a waste of time and energy.
we have to consider floyd fought more rounds against oscar and hatton. not to mention, oscar had better conditioning against floyd. but the percentages are surprisingly close. agree with you though that pac's defense is not that bad. it's just that people are looking into it too hard and comparing it to floyd's who obviously has one of the best defense all time. in jmm-pac II, there were these videos that came out in some close rounds that showed pac blocking and slipping a lot of jmm's punches. jmm-pac III, if jmm can take pac's power at that weight, i think jmm still gives pac some problems albeit pac's right hand now is better.
Pacman really doesn't feel like he has to be defensive since his offense is so good. So its not like he couldnt be defensive if he applied it to his repertoire. So when people say he has no defense, its usually because nobody knows him for slipping 3 billion punches, but for throwing that many.
In numerous opportunities, Oscar has made no excuses about his conditioning for his performance against Pacquiao. While Oscar has always been classy (as a fighter) he is not beyond making excuses. He blamed Freddie Roach's game plan for his loss to Floyd. Nacho also said Oscar was in fine condition and he thought he should've been able to win the fight. The only thing offensively compromised by the weight was Oscar's power - which should've given Pacquiao even less motivation to avoid punches than Floyd, and yet he did so at the exact same rate.
I don't think anyone can seriously claim he has NO defense. He has good foot defense, good upperbody and head movement, uses angles to put him in good positions to get his offense off, but also uses it as defense at times. He can be caught when he is stationary, even when his gloves are by his cheek bones, but overall he has a solid defense. Add on that his main defense can be his offense at times. An easy comparison, Pacquiao's defense is better than Khan's. In turn Mayweather's is greater than Pacquiao's. But there is a bigger gap between Khan's and Pacquiao's defense than there is between Pacquiao's and Mayweather's. IMO anyway.
Oscar fighting at a weight he has not fought at in over 8 years, and weighing less then pac at the weigh in, is a good indication he was not in the best of shape. Roach himself stated that Oscar, was rehydrating himself after the weigh in, oscar was in pretty bad shape.
Glen Johnson at 42 years old dropped down to a weight class at which he hadn't fought in over 10 years and won his fight by TKO. Oscar also won his previous fight at a catchweight of 150. Again, not a single person in Oscar's camp has said that his weight or conditioning affected his performance at all. And, again, he threw more punches in his fight against Pacquiao than he did against Floyd, in spite of the fact that Pacquiao was throwing significantly more back at him.
**** oscar and his camp. That kid knows way better than Oscar and his camp what condition Oscar was in. Speculation > facts... every. single. time.
crax i know where you're going with this thread but i dont think de la hoya had problems with the weight, it as the lack of rehydration after the weigh in, oscar was dehydrated.