What should Mayweather do to Beat Pacquiao? Analysis

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  1. AxlRose

    AxlRose Guest

    There we go. :lol::smoke
     
  2. edsel606

    edsel606 Member Full Member

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    First the Pacman
     
  3. Skilletscuz

    Skilletscuz mma champ Ronda Rousey Full Member

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    <--- lawlz this

    yeah, it'd be nice to actually have a signed fight first before going thru another round of all this.... but to respond anywayz

    i think Mayweather represents the best chance of someone beating Pacquiao who's close to his weight. Not saying that Mayweather has a great chance of beating him.

    If you look at style-wise in a traditional sense, the *****s say that Mayweather should be able to beat him, which is true.

    But what does not fit in this scheme, is Manny's physical abilities. Brawlers usually have slower footwork. Mayweather has great footwork, when he uses it. Unfortunately, Manny has ridiculous speed footwork. This footwork allows Manny to close the distance & punch range at a rate a fighter sometimes cannot react to. Ala Mike Tyson's jumping in Left Hook. This footwork also will not give Mayweather the comfort time and distance he needs to recoup from attacks - Pacquiao will not give Mayweather ANY respite if he chooses not to. And PBF is uncomfortable under pressure.

    After watching the Pac/Mosley fight, decided to review some other fights, including the ODLH one. It amazed me that somehow Pac was getting lefts in from a distance that he ought not to be able to, and ODLH was misgauging that distance too.

    His fast footwork lets Pac deliver his go-go gadget left straight from no-wheresville.
    That, he's got a reach of a guy who's 5'10".
    That, he over-extends/over-reaches his punch also (which is a traditional no-no cuz that throws you off-balance and leaves you open). For the most part, Pac is able to cheat by using his natural athleticism to recover in time, and sometimes just chain it into an assault.

    On the other side, this has got to be the key of stopping Pacquiao too. I think Marquez had known this and did a commendable job in their past 2 endeavors. I think Mayweather has more than enough talent & speed to time it w/ a counter-hook.

    The ONLY thing with this, is that PBF DOES NOT like to get hit trying to counter. In fact, he doesnt like to get hit AT ALL! One thing EVERYONE knows about Pacquiao. He punches in bunches. And he WILL punch thru a counter too. He's proved that over and over w/ Marquez. The lucky thing, Marquez can take a punch, but i dont think PBF can.

    The other concern for PBF - he's a control fighter. He controls the tempo of the fight to a manageable level for him by countering a punch and also beating the opponent to a punch. This discourages the opponent from attacking from the mid rounds on, and PBF will coast to a lopsided win, or if he's backing down the opponent, will work to break him down for a KO. The problem is - Manny doesnt mind getting punched in order to get his licks in, as was said above. And this is a stumbling block for PBF's mentality.

    Summarize -
    Style-wise = slight edge to PBF
    Physical attributes = strong advantage to Pac
    Mental strength/spirit = string advantage to Pac

    PBF is intimidated by Pac's relentlessness spirit. This is why the whole testing debaucle was brought up in the first place. They say he HAS to be taking PEDS to be that relentless. But..... hadnt Pac ALWAYS been relentless since he'd been filmed in boxing at 17? His videos are there - they're proof, how is this ignored? Does that mean he had been taking PEDS in the Phillipines, before he started to make real money in boxing?

    Their contention is that he cant be this relentless at the weight he's act compared to the weight he used to be. But dont boxers normally gain weight as they grow and mature in the sport? He REALLY hasnt grown or gained THAT much weight than what appears to be on the surface. The weightclasses he fights at are really misleading.

    He consistently comes in between 149-151 lbs fightnight weight for a Welterweight class of 147 lbs. This is extremely light & undersized for this weightclass compared to the upper echelon of previous big welterweights (cotto, margarito, clottey). These guys hit between 160-165. Generally, the upper echelon are hydrating up between 13-17lbs.

    You substract that weight from Pacquiao's fightnight weight, and now you got a picture of what weight class he REALLY SHOULD be fighting in, to be honest with the rest of the competitition. We're talking about he's a true Lightweight.

    *****s complaining that he fights at catchweights.... no ****, if you realize he's a Lightweight. Yeah, you'd make an exception too....

    KEEP IT REAL
     
  4. mughalmirza786

    mughalmirza786 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    For a guy not weighing more than around 150 on fight night he sure has a presence in the ring. Manny has fight changing power. Cotto, margarito, clottey and shane all had good gameplans and were competitive until manny unleashed his power. Margarito was nearly doubled over by that vicious body shot, cotto was dropped, clottey felt the power very early in the fight in the form of a counter right hook, shane was dropped. As tyson said, everyone has a gameplan until they get hit.
     
  5. ProfessorLex

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    Clottey said this. Pretty sums it up. :good
     
  6. bambamz

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    well 1st and foremost..

    he needs to actually fight pac -.-
     
  7. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    Mayflower should shut the **** up . . . get out of retirement. negotiate, sign the contract and fight the asian midget . . . that's the only way he has a chance to beat the midget.

    :rofl :lol:
     
  8. Ripper11

    Ripper11 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Zab Judah is a worst matchup for Floyd than Castillo. Judah knows Floyd's style from sparring all the time and he's faster and more powerful and a counter pucnher, so Floyd had to initiate the action.

    O yeah and a southpaw
     
  9. PaoloMirani

    PaoloMirani Boxing Addict Full Member

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    why cant we get more posts like this...good read.
     
  10. ProfessorLex

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    If Judah a southpaw gave him problems, the thing is he will fight the greatest southpaw ever to don a pair of gloves. :deal
     
  11. ramesis

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    hope that Floyd Mayflower proved you're right....:bbb
     
  12. Ripper11

    Ripper11 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pernell Witaker and Marvin Hagler are better than Manny so stop

    ALso Judah is a counter pucnher southpaw, so he uses his southpaw stance as an advantage. Manny gives away his advantage of being a southpaw by the way he fights
     
  13. This is true, cause Pernell my boy is a slick black fighter, and Hagler is a slick bald fighter.

    Both will knock out Pacquiao within six rounds. Fact.
     
  14. He will just wait for the perfect time, and will school pacquiao. Just wait.
     
  15. Kel1981

    Kel1981 P4P No.1 Full Member

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    Get in the ****ing ring and give it a crack! I'd respect him a lot more.

    Just in case you thick ****ing Yanks don't know better, I was not asking for Floyd to feed his families drug habit, just to give the fight a go.