My All-Time 60 Best British Fighters

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by TBooze, May 12, 2011.


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  1. Jimi

    Jimi Member Full Member

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    Good effort Sir.

    I'd be interested to know what your reasoning was behind placing Herol Graham at #24 well above many established world champions. Did you place a high weighting on boxing ability rather than durability etc. I suppose you did entitle this 'best fighters' rather than 'most successful fighters'.

    Cheers.
     
    Jimi, May 12, 2011
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  2. GazOC

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    I'm glad Laing never made the list, criminally overrated.
     
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  3. kosaros

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    You can't help sticking the boot into Laing can you? :lol:
     
    kosaros, May 12, 2011
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  4. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    :hi:;)
     
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  5. Matt Ldn

    Matt Ldn Boxing Addict Full Member

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    who do you have in mind??
     
    Matt Ldn, May 12, 2011
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  6. wrimc

    wrimc Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fitszsimmons (If you consider him a Brit)
    Wilde
    Lewis

    are all dead certs

    Also think Ted "kid" Lewis has a decent claim

    But according to preference I wouldnt be surprised to see Calzaghe, Buchanan "kid" Berg and Lynch in some lists
     
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  7. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Graham had ability to be a top 10 entry, but his unorthodox methods hurt him, and cost him in big fights.

    But you are right I have placed him above what I would consider three proper world title holders (Watt, McGuigan and McAuley), and a number of world title holders of sound to dubious distinction.

    Watt beats Graham on name wins: He had two very good names (Davis and O'Grady) on his win resume (although both were open to debate) and came through with a fine Indian Summer of a career.

    Graham was more naturally gifted, he was a world class fighter for a lot longer than Watt, and also had a comeback that compares to Watt's excellent final couple of years.

    McGuigan was more talented than Watt, and has an excellent win of LaPorte, and did what everybody was supposed to do, but never could: End Pedroza's reign. Although never quite the same post Pedroza, the victory over Taylor is another plus point overall.

    But again compared to Graham, McGuigan's world class run, is not as long, also McGuigan never could quite produce the magic again post Pedroza, whilst Graham did show an ability to comeback from defeats, strongly.

    Dave 'Boy' McAuley was so much fun, the first war with Bassa was breathtaking and the battles with Baby Jake and Blanco were instant British classics. Also McAuley was sensational the night he beat the then undefeated Duke McKenzie for the IBF crown.

    But McAuley admitted himself, he considered himself no world champ whilst Bassa was still about, and his chin was hilariously soft sometimes, in no small part I suspect from trying to boil down to 112.

    McAuley made the most of what he had, and because of that will, has them eye catching victories that probably do slightly top Graham's best wins. But Herol had a deeper resume and again was world class longer, so that on top of the edge in ability is why Graham topped McAuley.
     
    TBooze, May 12, 2011
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  8. Beeston Brawler

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    Who would you say was the best opponent Graham beat?
     
    Beeston Brawler, May 12, 2011
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  9. TBooze

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    A toss up between Holmes and Kalule. I would say the Holmes win edges it.
     
    TBooze, May 12, 2011
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  10. Flea Man

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    Kalule.
     
    Flea Man, May 12, 2011
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  11. Jimi

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    After having reviewed Grahams resume I can see that. He spent 17 years at title level which surely puts him up there. I always liked the Ingle style of fighter, hands down, using reaction speed to avoid punches, it was good to watch. A style which seems to have died off since Naz and Nelson retired, at least amongst top level operators.

    I think my earliest memory of boxing is watching Bassa v McCauley 1! Amazing fight.
     
    Jimi, May 12, 2011
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  12. atberry

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    I would have Owen Moran in my top 3-4, rather than top 30-40.

    I'd also have Buchanan ahead of Hamed any day of the week.
     
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  13. sportofkings

    sportofkings Boxing Junkie banned

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    Beast of a fight:deal

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY0paUbbqUw[/ame]
     
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  14. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    It's such a shame that Calzaghe has that SD over Hopkins which edges him ahead of Hamed in British ATG rankings.
     
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  15. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A shame? Well each to their own, I can understand why people think Hopkins won; I can understand why Calzaghe won.

    At least the judges judged, and did not sit on the fence, or put out a hometown decision.

    But you are (indirectly) right about one thing. That '0' does add a certain cachet to Calzaghe's resume.
     
    TBooze, May 12, 2011
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