Who Beat Arthur Abraham Worse: Carl Froch Or Andre Ward?

Ward, because Abraham actually tried against him.

 

One big, big difference in this comparison. Abraham actually turned up against Ward, actually threw against Ward. Maybe Froch didn't allow Abraham to attack as much as he did against Ward. But it needs to be taken in to consideration.

 

Beat, its been a long day

 

No, he did try, and he was baffled and nullified completely. That doesn't mean he wasn't trying. He was trying and failing.

There is no maybe. This is the same as the Klitschko myth that fighters just aren't trying and that's why they get shut out. It's just a myth. They're trying plenty (most), they're just having no success because they're being controlled by someone in a higher class. That's what's been happening to Abraham.

 

There is a maybe. Abraham came out like a bull tonight, was far less predictable, far more motivated, far more desperate than he was against Froch. He didn't look interested from round 1 against Froch. He was happy taking shots on the arms waiting for his chance, but it was too late because Froch was too good, and employed his gameplan to perfection.

Abraham didn't open up against Froch until the 12th round. Against Ward tonight, he knew he had to start fast, and he did.

 

Ward probably showed more skill and this is no disrespect to him but Froch clearly had the better performance. But like Ward said they are two different fighters with different dimensions. It was easier for Froch to box at range because of his long jab. Ward doesn't have the same hieght and reach advantages and so it would have made it very hard for him to produce the same performance. It was also easier for AA to work off his own jab in this fight which early on opened up more opportunities for him.

 

He couldn't get in to open up on Froch. Froch didn't let him. Abraham was looking all night and trying to maneuver himself into a range that Froch didn't allow him to get into. The fact that he didn't panic and start throwing haymakers at nothing doesn't mean he tried less, imo. You don't survive against a puncher who is outclassing you by throwing big wild shots all over the place. He had a different strategy tonight against a guy who isn't a puncher and isn't fighting him the same way. Different strategy, but still trying with different degrees of success. Froch controlled Abraham thoroughly. Abraham was extremely frustrated and embarrassed. He was trying and failing. That's what I saw anyway.

 

Truth.

 

My whole point is that they are two completely different fights, two completely different styles going up against Abraham...and the only thing the two bouts have in common (apart from Abraham losing convincingly twice) is Abraham.

Doing a simple comparison like, "Froch dominated Abraham from the first to last bell"..."Whereas Abraham picked up two, maybe three rounds against Ward"..."In turn meaning Froch put on the more dominating performance". I see these comparisons all the time, but people don't take in to consideration other factors...style, height, reach, motivation, hunger, confidence, etc. It's just as simple as the above example.

 

I was pretty impressed with both of them against AA. I know that I felt Ward was fighting a more determined AA though.

 

I don't make much of the comparison either, for the same reasons. I just disagree completely that Arthur didn't try for one and tried for the other, and largely I disagree with it based on the styles-make-fights axiom that renders the initial comparison without merit in the first place.

 

This poll is funny

 

I'm no sure with you say?

 

I havn't said Abraham didn't try...but he looked far less interested against Froch, he actually looked like he didn't want to be there...it looked like he had trouble in his camp and that he didn't want his coaches in his corner. Froch's jab was a big, big factor in the bout...but Abraham opened up very little in the entire fight, he was very predictable, he was either attacking (his guard lowered) or defending (his high guard).

Tonight, Abraham started fast, looked motivated, looked like he wanted a fight...mixed his defense up a bit. Maybe he wasn't afraid of Ward's power, but he wasn't afraid of Ward's speed either. He wanted to win this fight. Not until the 12th round in the Froch fight did I see him actually go for it.