"Caveman" Froch outboxed Abraham more than Dirrell and Ward did

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  1. Toopretty

    Toopretty Custom made Full Member

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    Who beat Kessler better? I'm just sayin..
     
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  2. Toopretty

    Toopretty Custom made Full Member

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    Euro logic at its finest. Ward did not lose 2 rounds against AA and completely dominated the fight. Froch dominated AA. Froch goes life or death with Kessler.. Ward beats the **** out of him. funny
     
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  3. SomeGuy101

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    I always said he was an underated fighter. I even made a thread on why he'll school Abraham (http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=270971&page=3) before they fought.

    It's funny because Froch in sparring is literally punishing these young guns like Groves & putting them on their asses. He isn't slick but he has technique and uses range well - just look at how he adapted from round 5 onwards when he fought Taylor.

    Ward is slicker and faster but throws 1/2's. Froch is slower, throws more combinations and is more powerful which is why he looked more impressive vs Abraham because Abraham respected his power more than Wards.

    Ward has the slickness to get passed Froch's speed but does he have the heart to take a punch like Froch does and can he close the distance? It's a tough one and I am expecting a close fight but a clear robbery.
     
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  4. untmike

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    :deal
     
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  5. Ripper11

    Ripper11 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Dirrell and Ward faced a better Abraham
    ;)
     
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  6. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well, Ward/Kessler and Froch/Kessler is a genuine case of "styles make fights". Kessler is perfect for Ward and is tough for Froch. Abraham is perfect for Ward and tough for Froch.

    So, yes, Froch didn't beat Kessler and Ward did, but it was Froch who overcame a stylistic difficult match-up when he beat Abraham. Despite far more disadvantages against Abraham, Froch put in the better performance.

    But, yeah, styles make fights.
     
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  7. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Excellent post, and I agree: Time to give Froch his props.

    I do think, though, that Ward beats Froch. But I can see Froch winning that fight.
     
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  8. conraddobler

    conraddobler Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I don't mean to nitpick, but if it's a close fight how would it be a clear robbery?

    Robberies by definition occur in fights that aren't close.
     
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  9. badlefthook84

    badlefthook84 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Going slightly off topic here but did anyone else notice Ward getting seriously buzzed from a hard jab by Abraham in the 3rd ? Ward was very good overall.
     
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  10. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    i like froch, and thought he beat dirrell
    but who cares, ward and froch both won by UD
     
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  11. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    But why though? I mean this "caveman" **** continues because of these kinds of threads where there is this implication that Froch is somehow better than these guys, did better against AA etc. I mean if it bothers you to hear this kind of ****, then why start a thread that literally prompts this kind of response. You say he beat AA so much more thoroughly, OK, Ward beat the guy who beat Froch...so ****ing what? Bottom line if Froch takes care of Johnson he'll have every opportunity to show that he's better than Ward, but as of right this second, Ward is clearly ranked higher and deserves to be. He's more polished, more refined, and has a more diverse skill set, he's faster, has better mobility, and has shown to be all class...not sure what the problem is?
     
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  12. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think it's true that Froch has advantages but only because of his height and chin.

    Abraham's problem will always be his susceptibility to fast hands and lots of movement. If you give him those two, you're going to give him lots of problems and that is exactly what Dirrell and Ward both have. Good, fast feet and rapid combinations too. Compare that to Froch, who usually moves around the ring smoothly but he isn't a fast mover. Good upper body movement but has nothing like the foot speed of Dirrell or Ward. That covers the defence but offensively, Ward and Dirrell have an edge because they throw faster, straighter shots. Unlike Froch who relies on throwing wide punches, the other two are compact and throw in nice straight lines. As Abraham has a tight guard, the biggest threat for him are straight punches because he can't counter from that position. It's much easier for him to block what Froch throws.

    Of course, it didn't work out that way. Froch did put in a better showing than either Dirrell or Ward but he didn't do it because of his style, he did it despite his style. There's a reason so many people favoured Dirrell and Ward over Abraham, whereas Froch was supposed to get knocked out.
     
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  13. Faerun

    Faerun Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Caveman? Who said that?
     
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  14. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    Froch doesn't have the punch output to win a decision vs Ward, perhaps he can KO him, but I've not seen anything that suggests this based on Froch not even scoring a KD, much less KO, and Ward hasn't shown any reason to question his defensive ability or punch resistance. Froch isn't winning a decision vs Ward, he's going to have to stop him, bottom line. For the record I like Froch...and have said so numerous times.
     
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  15. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    Who predicted Froch to get KO'd by AA? Seriously, not being a smart ass, just curious as to who made that prediction.
     
    Reppin501, May 15, 2011
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