In 20 years, looking back on the Pac-Floyd saga..

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  1. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    In 20 years, both Joyboys and *******s will be defending both fighters' honor against some new, hyped up, overrated boxer, whose young delusional fans will claim to be G.O.A.T. Futuretards.
     
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  2. KnuckleUp99

    KnuckleUp99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I 110% agree! It's unfortunate but the fact is, EVERYONE aside from a select group of people know Floyd's game and they absolutely place blame on him for this fight not coming off.

    IF this fight doesn't happen in 20 this is what Floyd is gonna be remembered for. Real talk. It's unfortunate b/c Floyd is a great boxer and an incredible talent.

    Case in point ......Roberto Duran! Now he's a legit ATG and he's heads and shoulders beyond Floyd in terms of legacy...but his most MEMORABLE moment was that "NO MAS" fight bar none!

    Now you look at Floyd....he completely DUCKED PAC and wont fight. He doesn't have the legacy to overshawdow that place in his history. That's a lot of pressure.
     
    KnuckleUp99, May 14, 2011
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  3. Pax

    Pax Well-Known Member Full Member

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    pbf's undefeated record will be remember as a unbealivable accomplishment
    where pac's 2 loses will make him seam slightly above average....remember u asked in 20 years...nobody will remeber each opponent they faced, the fact pbf ducked a few cats or the fact pac feasted on pbf's leftovers will all be forgotten...but that 0 will be glorified.
     
    Pax, May 14, 2011
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  4. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    No one really glorifies Marciano's 0 above fighters like Louis
     
    megavolt, May 14, 2011
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  5. globenerd

    globenerd Guest

    First, as someone has already pointed out, Marciano retired undefeated and isn't regarded above several other heavyweights, much less all weights.

    Second, unlike Marciano, who did fight the best available (he just suffered from his era of heavies not being that strong) Floyd still has that long laundry list(aside from Pac) of guys he failed to step into the ring with.
    Those things will most definitely be remembered, not only in spite of that 0, but precisely because of it.
     
    globenerd, May 18, 2011
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  6. purephase

    purephase Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes, the absence of the two bolded names from Floyd's resume will most definitely be discussed for decades to come.
     
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  7. osreyes77

    osreyes77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It makes Floyd look scared for the simple reason that nobody else is really making a big stink of it. Cotto didnt cry about it. Neither did Hatton, Margarito, Oscar, and JMM is about to fight Pac for a 3rd time and he's not even mentioning nothing about extra testing. Yet Floyd who claims Pac is a "One dimensional midget who will be easy work" is making outragous demands that are only making this fight harder to be made.

    Pac is actually fighting while Floyd is doing nothing but talking.
     
    osreyes77, May 18, 2011
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  8. Gander Tasco

    Gander Tasco Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No
     
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  9. the prom queen

    the prom queen bitter and clinging Full Member

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    also, in 20 years, Pac's out of the ring activities and folk hero status in the philipines will probably make him well known still even among those who arent boxing fans
     
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  10. FutureChampGG

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    Can't think of many where the reason for the failed negotiations centered around a drugs test though
     
    FutureChampGG, May 18, 2011
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  11. globenerd

    globenerd Guest

    Agreed that neither will be ATGs, but both are still better than the welters Mayweather faced.
    Clottey was avoided for years, and only became marginalized by Floyd fans after the abysmal performance against Pac. And that said more about Pac's excellence than anything else.
    A lot of people think he beat Margarito, and everyone knows he was easily beating Baldomir before that ludicrous stoppage. He also gave Cotto all he could handle and beat Judah on all three cards.

    So yes, Clottey belongs on the list of people Floyd avoided.
     
    globenerd, May 18, 2011
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  12. purephase

    purephase Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mosley was a significantly better win than Clottey and Berto could have been. Even if we're now regarding him as faded, he was still far more relevant in the division at the time than Berto or Clottey ever will be. Mosley's win over Margarito was more decisive and more impressive than anything Clottey has accomplished in the division in years.

    If Mayweather had elected to fight Berto or Clottey in May 2010 (and for the purposes of this discussion, let's say Pac-Clottey had not happened), then absolutely everyone would continue to eviscerate Mayweather for avoiding Mosley. I have no idea at what point in time it makes sense to characterize Mayweather as avoiding Clottey.
     
    purephase, May 18, 2011
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  13. YelloLabs

    YelloLabs Shura No Toki Full Member

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    LOL people will talk about how pac won the 'fighter of the decade' against the undefeated Floyd 41-0 and Calzaghe 46-0
     
    YelloLabs, May 18, 2011
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  14. globenerd

    globenerd Guest

    Mosley was not a better win than either fighter, no matter how much you wish it were true.
    And to answer the last question...2005 - 2010 would be the time. That's when Cotto, Clottey, Margarito and Pac were all battling each other, while Floyd was avoiding them all and looking for lightweights and 40-year olds.

    And if beating MArgo was a great accomplishment for Mosley, then why didn't Floyd step into the ring with him in his 4 previous years in the same division as the man. Same can be said for the other four I mentioned.

    Let's say you count Floyd, Pac, Mosley, Margo and Cotto (we'll even leave out Clottey) as the five best welters of the last five years. What do four have in common that one doesn't? Four of them have all fought the other three, while one has only fought the oldest and most battle-worn of the bunch.

    There's really no way to spin why Floyd managed to not fight so many fellow greats since he left 135. There are simply too many on the list to ignore.
     
    globenerd, May 18, 2011
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  15. kingpwc

    kingpwc PERSEVERANCE Full Member

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    it will be looked at like....srl not fighting aaron pryor.......

    oh well.......


    they both are atg......

    like who you like.......

    if they fight they fight...

    they dont they dont...
     
    kingpwc, May 18, 2011
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