Calzaghe Legacy Skyrockets Following Hopkins' Legendary Win Over Pascal

Listen, you're off your head. Time to actually watch the fights you're jabbering about as you have clearly NOT seen Reid vs Calz.

Some of us have been around long enough to see EVERY second of EVERY round of EVERY fight that Calz has been in (when they happened) and nearly the same for BHOP's career (only a couple missed from the very beginning).

You can't boxrec the Reid/Calz fight and expound about the score and suggest you have "theories". Are you an idiot? Are you Farmboxer?

Let me tell YOU about the fight. Neither man was particularly impressive.

[If either of these guys in 1999 were to have had the misfortune (and they were 27 and 28 years old at the time) to have been in the ring with Bernard Hopkins from '99 - or even taking Hopkins from '93 when he was 28 years old - they would have been annihilated. If ANYONE has any doubt they merely have to run the video side by side and note the amateurish quality of Reid/Calz and their comparative LACK of athleticism and power.]

Joe was terrible in this fight. While he was the taller man in the ring (Reid is only 5'9") his lack of upper body strength, so-so athleticism, and rather spindly legs meant he had NOTHING on his punches. Joe threw basically NOTHING the entire fight that could be called a power shot and nothing with any fire really ever landed. REID landed BY FAR (BY FAR) the greater number of clean hard punches that could be called power shots. Joe threw more but they were all weak little pitty pat arm punches. They landed about the same number of punches in total but REID had a monopoly on the power shots.

While many rounds (half the twelve) had negligible action and landed punches, Reid had the clearer advantage in the rounds he won relative to the one's I'd give to Joe (primarily because Reid was the only one landing the harder punches in which Joe's head was actually sent snapping back from the impact). I gave Joe the 1st, the 3rd, the 4th (and he did little in those 3 rounds to edge Reid but someone had to get the round so I gave it to Joe for throwing/jabbing more). These rounds were all pretty gay but that's what they were. I gave Reid the 2nd (though it was also a nothing round that could have gone to Joe or better yet an even round), the 5th, and the 6th. The 7th was another even-ish round as neither did anything to separate themselves from the other. The 8th was probably a Reid round though it was close (again) but Francis decided to dock Reid a point for a low blow removing any advantage on the cards. The 9th and 10th were Reid rounds. The 11th was another dull round until the last minute and while the round could have been awarded either way, Reid seemed pretty tired and Joe was throwing so it was a Calz round I suppose.

The 12th round was another very even round with Reid looking the more exhausted fighter but Joe still not landing anything of consequence and Robin continued to wing the heavier punches.

This fight could have been a narrow Reid win for doing the better work in terms of harder landed punches in picking the winner of each round. This fight could have been a draw taking into account the 1 pt. deduction and the lack of substantial advantage for either fighter in EVERY single round.


Your foolishness is ridiculous. Get the fight and watch it. Far too many make Joe out to be something he has never been. He is a good fighter that fought in a weak era (as did Hopkins and RJJ) that was pristine in his mid 30s BECAUSE he only fought one talented opponent in a past peak CE and didn't take much punishment allowing Joe to mature into the end of his career. Many fighters aren't in that position and are thrown into tougher battles more consistently. But, Joe would NEVER have lived with BHOP in the ring in the 90s. If you weren't there to know or can't see it in the video looking back - then you simply don't know **** about rating athletes and are likely a complete gimp when it comes to sports. That is about par for at least 80% of the posters on ESB.

 

It certainly makes Joe's win over him seem alot better than it was perceived at the time. Look at Hopkins in that fight and what Calzaghe and his style had reduced him to, and then compare it with his superb efforts against young champs Pavlik and Pascal in the few years since. If Hopkins goes on to beat the super six winner, Joe's win over BHop may even be elevated to an actual great win.

 

That's the thing. I don't know why people don't rate Joe's win over Hopkins when it's an actual feat he actually even pulled off such a victory that younger men of this generation can't even get against Hopkins right now.

Because he looked like an amateur?

Waiting all fight long and not punching as much as the other guy won't give you points.

 

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Calzaghe beat Kessler at his own game, standing in front of him and trading shots.

Ward beat Kessler by running like a rabbit and pot-shotting and headbutting.

Calzaghe's win is a LOT better. Don't just look at scorecards, you little school boy.

 

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UHHHH.. No.

 

You ****ing little idiot. You didn't watch the fight and you send me that BULL**** post? You obviously are talking out of your ass.

Wake the **** up you little piglet gimp-minded troll. I'm not going to shred that line by line as it isn't worth it with someone who has not watched all of Joe's fights but ...

Joe Calzaghe didn't have any hand issue to blame in the fight. Joe himself didn't claim one. You want to KNOW what Joe mumbled after the fight (you punk ass little *****)?

Joe stated that HE was TERRIBLE. Joe stated that HE will never come into another fight and perform like that again (promising to never be in that poor form again). He was chagrined by his performance and upset with his form against Reid. HE NEVER said he was injured in the fight, had hurt his hand, nor did he favor his hand in the entirety of the fight (as anyone who ACTUALLY watched it can attest - but obviously not you as you never watched it you utter clown).

Joe STATED two explanations in the RING SIDE POST FIGHT INTERVIEW with ROBIN REID in which he weakly blamed the ten months (9 and 1/2 months) which had passed since the his last fight (Jimenez) as to why he was not in top form or why he didn't fight as well has he wished or thought he should have. He also suggested that a sore elbow had bothered him at some point early in his training camp and that MIGHT have been a factor in reducing some of his preparation. He was not claiming any hand issue at all. Ask anyone who was there and see how many would have said "yeah poor Joe was a one handed fighter and Reid had an advantage" - ask around and see how that sits with those that were at Telewest.

The rest of your post demonstrates you are even more of a dumb **** than anyone could have imagined. Joe had 21 TKOS (2 Kos) in his first 22 fights against regional and domestic bums, no-talents, old men, fat guys, and other weak ass non-athletes. He was never some great power punching killer. [**** you're an idiot.]
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You moron, Frank Warren was the promoter ... he was the promoter for BOTH fighters. Food poisoning? Non-English judges? Are you that stupid? FRANK RAN THE FIGHT - IDIOT. FRANK was the MAN - JUST LIKE IN ALL OF JOE'S FIGHTS. FRANK was keeping the WBO in the family by having BOTH FIGHTERs be his in the fight. He wasn't poisoning ONE of his own fighters and couldn't LOSE with both fighters being his.

You don't have any knowledge of the fight THAT is why you can't get it right.

 

Indeed Calzaghes legacy has grown after Hopkins regained the LHW title Calzaghe ripped off of him.
Other fighters like Taylor etc wont get any benefit from Hopkins win as Taylor was badly hurt and looking in a daze in their first fight and looked a loser in their rematch. But Calzaghe beat Hopkins at a new weight, in America with 3 American judges and Cortez as ref, scoring the single highest score against Hopkins ever, landing more on Hopkins ever, having Hopkins looking for time out and a way out, denying Hopkins his strong finish, all sandwiched between Hopkins best wins of Tarver, Wright and Pavlik.

Yes Calzaghes legacy has grown again. Still Hopkins doesnt have any wins as good as Eubank and undefeated Kessler and then Calzaghe has the Hopkins win on top of that.

Would like to say congratulations to Hopkins for becoming champ again, Calzaghe retiring has benefitted Hopkins greatly ad Hopkins fans should thank Calzaghe for that

 

If thats the case than Jermain Taylor's does as well !:good

 

you guys are all delusional..Get it right..2 of the judges scored the fight many points ahead for Calzaghe..The ONE judge who scored the fight for Hopkins was ADELAIDE BYRD...GET IT?

 

ALL THAT IS GOOD AND FINE, but keep in mind -Calzaghe 46-0 and Calzaghe SD Hopkins.. Punk ..The only judge that scored for Hopkins was sympathetic to him, and don't forget the punchstats, moron