Why is Calz vs B-Hop considered "close"?

Contrary to what you are now saying, your opening post stated that you believe it wasn't close and you supported your belief by focusing on the judges scorecards........

but at any rate, you say you want to know if those who think the fight was close have anlayzed the official scoring of this fight and understand that the official scoring wasn't really that close, corrrect? well, i believe the fight was close and no i really didn't break down the official scoring to try and determine whether the scoring was actually all that close (given an extra point for a kd or some other reason) because the official scoring isn't always (or even mostly) indicative of whether a fight was close (for reasons already stated).

 

No problem. Just kidding around.

 

There is a sizeable cadre who feel that Hopkins actually won easily. Some may have shown up on this thread. Excuse me for not readin all or basically any of it other than the OP.

 

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It wasnt....

 

My point was simply that "rounds awarded" is carries no real significance in comparison to points, particularly when there are knockdowns, and I still don't really get why you would think otherwise. I haven't said one thing about the particular case of Hopkins-Calzaghe, although I will say that I have no idea who exactly this thread is aimed at. I see very few people simply taking the existence of a split decision alone as evidence of a close fight, for this fight in particular or as a general rule. See WatchfortheHook's response from a few pages back for the more common reasons why this fight or any other might be called close, even with a "wide" split decision.

 

atsch jeez... i've already explained what stock i put into any judges scoring (some not a lot). and there's rarely much reason to study a scorecard b/c they provide no explanation for their scores (i.e, ring control for 2/3's round, 3 solid combos, promoter a gave me $200 etc). IMO, in any fight, 2 out of 3 judges could have it one way and 50% or more of fans and writers see it a different way. and for the record, all scoring (even the official judges) is opinion and questioning an opinion isn't always questioning their honesty

 

that adalaide byrd, one of the worst judges around

 

Many seem to consider it close because it was a shitty boring fight. Hops lame antics alone should have lost him the fight in my opinion, but unfortunately that's not how the scoring works.
From memory, on the day I gave it to Calz by a round, and then later by a slightly wider margin. I'd agree it wasn't that close because I thought there was no question Joe won.
Haven't watched it for ages though and have no desire to, I thought it was a shitty fight. While Hops got some nice clean shots in so did Joe, if I recall correctly, quite few towards the end in addition to the lighter punches that bother some people.
Another aspect is that as good as Hops is, some just cannot accept the loss, and some of those cannot accept he "lost to a white boy" whatevs, we know he's a great fighter, he's the current champ at lightheavy FFS!

 

It's beyond me why/how it's considered close. WTF can be close about that bout? Calzaghe landed more, threw more, was the aggressor, controlled the ring for the majority of the fight etc. If it wasn't for Calzaghe there wouldn't have been a fight. He was the one who initiated contact 99 percent of the time.

What people fail to mention is this: The fight was Calzaghe's FIRST fight at 175 lbs. after spending his whole career at 168. It was also Calzaghe's first time fighting in the states. Hopkins had all the advantages in his favor, minus his age (but that needs to be thrown out.......Hopkins is still performing at the highest level of the sport, and WINNING). Not to mention the fact that Calzaghe, I believe (he says it too), underestimated Hopkins because of Hopkins' age.

Therefore, Calzaghe beat a motivated Hopkins who trained his ass off, while Calzaghe lackadaisically trained thinking he would have an easy time due to Hopkins' age. He was deceived.

As time passes away it becomes revisionist history. Right after the fight, and even months afterwards, the vast majority of fight fans thought Calzaghe won and won easily, albeit in a sloppy fashion (because of Hopkins' spoiling style). Perceptions started to change after Hopkins beat Pavlik.....and even more so now. Basically, it goes with the territory.

Anyone who watches that fight objectively - there's no ****ng way Hopkins won. Not even close.

 

This discussion is marked in advance. You take a sport which judging is subjective and different people people have different criteria for winning. And thus a fight can have a different result giving the people watching. In theory a fight can end in a draw with the scores 120 - 108 108 - 120 and 115 - 115. Because of certain people or judges scores rounds differently.

That's the argument people keep giving you, but you have found a way to circumvent these arguments by stating that only official scoring cards count.

Well even giving in to this premise, which I don't agree with giving the subjective nature of the sport. You have a clear indication of, that it was a close fight by the fact that only one official judge needed to be replaced by one of another opinion and the fight would have another winner.

Fact is judges are scoring the fight like everyone else based on opinions and theres no need to put them in a position where they don't belong. As long as Pierre Benoist could score Williams Martinez 1 with 119 - 110. I definitely see no reason for putting judges opinion above other hardcore fans.

 

it wasn't that close. once calzaghe adjusted to hopkins it was a near shutout. hopkins had no answer but the occasional right, but those were too few and far between. hopkins was badly hurt in the 9th, which resulted in the round 10 fakery in order to get some extra time to clear his head -smart yet cowardly move. Calzaghe was the better fighter, period.

 

But people who did make their own cards with their own results one way or the other are going to believe there card over the judges.

 

It was definitely a close fight, close and ****in atrociously boring fight. Both boxers should be ashamed of themselves very pathetic. I had Calzaghe winning by a point or two.