PAC was nowhere near of losing to JMM

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  1. vengeex

    vengeex Boxing Junkie banned

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    [url]Link: 24 Rounds of Pacquiao vs Marquez: The Judges' Scorecard[/url]

    In both fights, JMM needs to knockdown or knockout Pacquiao in the last round in order to win.
     
  2. bazza12

    bazza12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I watched them again more recently and had one a draw and one for Marquez.

    Opinions can change just re-watching them yourself, they were both extremely even fights.

    Just because 3 judges score a fight one way doesn't make it correct, everyone will have their own opinion on a fight.
     
  3. IPitydaFo0l

    IPitydaFo0l ATG in the making Full Member

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    Both fights were extremely close so how you can say that he was no where near losing doesn't make any sense.
     
  4. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Erroneous score :lol:

    Scoring the fight by five rounds to Pacquiao ought to have the brown colour dot on it too.

    You could score the 3rd round of fight 2 10-9 to Pacquiao, IMO Marquez was winning most of it.
     
  5. Bazooka

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    2nd fight was close, depending on how you scored fight 1 you could end up with a very wide Margin considering all the kd's in round 1
     
  6. IPitydaFo0l

    IPitydaFo0l ATG in the making Full Member

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    right. i don't remember how i scored the 1st rbr but i definitely didn't wind up with a wide margin at all. both fights were extremely close imo, so yes, Pac was very close to losing either fight.
     
  7. vengeex

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    I made that conclusion based on the judges' scorecards.

    - In both fights, JMM needs to knockdown or knockout Pacquiao in the last round in order to win. His best effort was only to salvage a draw (1st fight).

    - In both fights, PAC was leading most of the time up to the final rounds at least in 2 judges scorecards.

    So given the above conditions, you can clearly see that PAC was nowhere near of losing to JMM in both fights BASED on the JUDGES scores.

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  8. bballchump11

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    :huh so? and in the end it was a draw and split decision. What people argue is that the judge's scoring was off altogether, not just the last round
     
  9. vengeex

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    You can't say that for fight #2. The judges were almost in total agreement in that fight. They have the same score for 9 out of the 12 rounds.

    So maybe the same trend will happen again in the coming 3rd fight. PAC will start fast building at least 2 point lead in the judges scorecards and maintain the lead up to the late rounds. Again JMM needs to knockdown or knockout PAC in the last round in order to win.
     
  10. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    well one judge scored it for Marquez, so I guess it can't be that wide. that's what a split decision is ya know
     
  11. PH|LLA

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    close fights, Pac won em both
     
  12. Murali

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    Nobody can deny that Manny has stepped it up since the second Marquez fight and done some pretty special things in the ring.

    But the two Marquez fights weren't his finest hour.

    I scored the first fight to Marquez by a couple of rounds (I scored the first round 10-7 to Pac rather than 10-6 but I think Marquez wins if you score it 10-6 anyway).

    And the second fight was very close. I think a draw is the fairest outcome for that one.
     
  13. H .

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    people will usually show a one-sided perspective of the scorecards when their fighter wins by decision.

    like that person who recently asked why people think Calzaghe-Hopkins was close.
     
  14. PH|LLA

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    I think the 2nd fight was one of Manny's finest hours. He boxed for 12 rounds, 36 minutes, with a master boxer and stylistic nightmare at the absolute peak of his powers and got the best of him. It's one of my favorite Pacquiao performances.
     
  15. vengeex

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    Yep. JMM needs a KD to sway the SD in his favor but unfortunately JMM didn't do enough trouble for PAC in the last round.