Barrera, Morales, Marquez, Pacquaio. The best fighter?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Robbi, Dec 25, 2007.


  1. PATSYS

    PATSYS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And just becuase fighters B loses to A doesn't mean fighter B is better either.

    Fighter A beating B in his prime is a very good indication that A is indeed better, otherwise how else are you fgoing to decide? By your biasness?
     
  2. Lloyd Banks

    Lloyd Banks Prize Fighter Full Member

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    Barrera in my opinion.. it can be flipped around quite easily though..
     
  3. PATSYS

    PATSYS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just to prove further my point, toss in Guzman in the list and see how he gets ranked at #1 by many...
     
  4. Betty Swollocks

    Betty Swollocks James 'Lights Out' Toney Full Member

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    I disagee with that, before Marquez fought Pac I thought he might well be the best of the lot. The one with the least exposure, but the best. I think many hardcore boxing fans knew he was badly underrated.
    He beat Barrera and in my view had a clear UD over Pacman.
     
  5. PATSYS

    PATSYS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Had he taken the exact path that Barrera did, who knows. The wear and tear would have caught to him at some point, making him look less stellar and vulnerable in many of the fights.
     
  6. BodyBlaster

    BodyBlaster Well-Known Member Full Member

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    In terms of talent, Id go with Marquez, this guy is a tremendous fighter, but in terms of recognition, and achievement, he's possibly 4th of 4.

    And Prime for Prime.
    Barrera was a nightmare for Morales, but generally, I thought Morales to be the better fighter.

    Pac would have always been a horrible fight for Barrera, but think Morales, at his peak, would have beaten Pac.
     
  7. nighthunter

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    PAC
    Morales
    Barrera
    Marquez
    you don't need to become the best boxer to beat great boxers such as those on the list. even though PAC has lacking on his boxing skill he has the speed and power to take those department... manny has the ton of heart that give us the inspiration, that whatever obstacle in our path we can overcome those by giving our faith, best and hardwork. you dont have to be the best to do something special in any department in life...
     
  8. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Its nothing to do with accomplishments, strictly who's the best all round and most talented. Do you think Pacquaio can box as well as Marquez can fight?. I don't. I would say Pacquaio isn't as good as Marquez or Barrera in terms of what he can do inside the ropes. He's not as versatile, and lets be honest its hard to pick against a versatile fighter when it comes to rating the best.

    Marquez just peaking?. He's maybe peaking in terms of glory and recognition, but not quickness. He was a better fighter even 2 years ago when he beat Polo. His reflexes aren't quite as sharp these days, and the move up to super-featherweight at 33 years of age has made him a tad slower.
     
  9. retriever

    retriever Boxing Addict Full Member

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  10. rjamesd1

    rjamesd1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How about you, what dimension? TWILIGHT ZONE? yOU MUST BE BIPOLAR...:rasta
     
  11. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

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    How the hell is Pac winning this poll.

    He obviously is not a better "all round" fighter than Barrera, Morales or Marquez. He is distinctly one dimesional, a great dimesion but it is still only one.

    1. Juan Manuel Marquez
    2. Marco Antonio Barrera
    3. Erik Morales
    4. Manny Pacquiao

    I think Morales is the best in ring fighter though.
     
  12. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'd say that JMM is the best technical fighter but MAB has the very good technique and can also BANG when he needs too...it's a toss up between MAB and JMM....but the best FIGHTER overall is PAC.
     
  13. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Pac is the best fighter?. Tell me why he's the best all round fighter. Do you think he's more well rounded than Barrera or Marquez, more talented and versatile?.

    I think tecnically he's the worst out them all, especially when it comes to balance and delivery of his punches. Don't get me wrong, he's effective. But he's clearly not got as many tools as the other three, especially Marquez.
     
  14. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I say best "ALL AROUND FIGHTER" not b/c he is TECHNICALLY sound or highly skilled "BOXER"....those are areas that JMM, EM and MAB have...they are truly students and now teachers of the sport....PAC on the other hand has decent skills...but it's those "X" factors that PAC has that give him the advantages that most other boxers just don't have....they are god given gifts of talent and natrual abilities.

    PAC is the best overall fighter only b/c he WINS! and does it impressivly against the very best in his divisions. His speed, power, reflexes are all god given talents and attributes that one can't learn or train to have....you can harnest your talents, keep them sharp and polish them but you either have them or you don't. Pac has plenty and it's evident when he fights. If pac didn't have these talents and abilities he'd be NOWHERE on the Boxing radar...he's still be fighting for peanuts in Manila. But of course this is not the case and we all have been blessed to see one of the GREATS of our era in the ring.

    He doens't have the techical tools that the three great Mexican warriors have but at the same time they don't have the natrual talents and abilities that PAC seems to have in adundance.
     
  15. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    I mean "the best fighter" in terms of what they can do inside the ring. Rocky Marciano was unbeaten and some think of him as a top 5 heavyweight of all time. He's wasn't as complete or as good a fighter in terms of what he could do inside the ring compared to say Larry Holmes. Just because Pacquaio has only lost to Morales in the first fight, won the rematch and rubbermatch, beat Barrera twice, and drew with Marquez, doesn't mean he's the best in terms of skills and all roundedness.

    Styles make fights, and Pacman's style is very effective. However he's not very good in terms of balance and fighting well on the backfoot. I don't think he throws the variety of punches that Marquez does.