Sergio Martinez: I accept your challenge! (Chavez Jr.)

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  1. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lol let's see if jcc jr gets past zbik first. Either way, Martinez is a weak champ. Pirog will take him out no prob. Too bad Martinez won't fight him.
     
  2. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You are not very bright, are ya? :lol: I'll help. Martinez fought Margarito, what, 3-4 years after he first walked into a boxing gym? Chavez is yet to face a world class opponent and he's been boxing, in the gym or professionally, what, over a decade?

    But it's actually sad reading these outrageous (and probably unintentionally arrogant) stuff.

    NOBODY suffered more because of politics in this generation. When Martinez traveled to the UK to beat solid contenders Stone and Williams, YEARS passed before any organization or a top promoter allowed him to at least participate in an eliminator, and even then becoming Oscar's mando he was sidelined for 2 more as Floyd (w/DLH) and then Forrest (W/Baldomir) refused to fight him, so he picked up the interim belt and when Vernon RIP was stripped, went on to face Cintron, only to get robbed of a KO, a DQ and an UD on one night.

    In contrast Julio Cesar Chavez (daddy) makes a phonecall and Martinez gets stripped so his son could face B-level Zbik for the world title.

    And you come here arrogantly talking about Chavez stepping up where Martinez wasn't? Do you ever use what separates us from other animals: a large brain capacity?
     
  3. willmc83

    willmc83 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    come on, you have to put that fight into context, pavlik was suffering from an infection and he nearly died from the antibiotics. he was on the drink a lot too. i'm not trying to make excuses - i'm just tyring to explain the context in which the loss occured.
     
  4. TheJuggernaut

    TheJuggernaut Hitchslap Full Member

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    :lol::deal
    He'll never feed jr. to Sergio until those bull**** latin fury ppv's run dry

    How many tomato cans is this ****ing guy gonna get? Hes already got over 40 fights adn his best win is over John Duddy
     
  5. saul_ir34

    saul_ir34 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Arum will not let this happen.

    If he does which i highly highly doubt then Martinez by TKO. Hopefully JCC Jr. puts up a good show though.
     
  6. SportsLeader

    SportsLeader Chilling Full Member

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    :rofl Get a grip......
     
  7. sweetray

    sweetray Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Chavez won`t fight Martinez to protect his 0 defeat.
     
  8. PrinceVega

    PrinceVega 帝拳ボクシングジム Full Member

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    I like both Jr & Sergio.I would like the see the fight. But i dont think at this moment Jr can beat Sergio.
     
  9. el mosquito

    el mosquito Boxing Addict banned

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    Martinez has been a victim of boxing politics all his life blah blah blah :|:|

    so he faced a margarito early in his career then got stopped, figured he needed to adjust the level of his opponents, went on to face bums. became a middleweight champ later in his career and wanted a big payday against midgets, all along saying that a middleweight champ like pirog does not deserve a fight with him. then continue to cry about boxing politics :|
     
  10. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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  11. ImElvis666

    ImElvis666 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Words mean nothing. I'll give Chavez all the probs in the world if/when he gets in the ring with him. But Chavez is making these comments well in the knowledge that his promoter has no intentions of making this fight happen. Empty words, idle threats.
     
  12. pong

    pong Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The fight is for the WBC strap once earned and owned by linear middleweight champion Sergio Martinez, whose mandatory defense was due against Zbik in March. However, HBO rejected Zbik, deeming him unfit to be an opponent in a title fight on HBO. Seeing as how Martinez’s promoter Lou DiBella was not about to do what Top Rank had done with Chavez Jr. (financing an independent pay-per-view in order to keep that belt), the WBC stripped Martinez of it, installed him as “Champion Emeritus” and made Zbik the new champion. Conveniently, Junior was already in place as the next mandatory despite no viable wins against top ten opponents at middleweight. In fact, Chavez Jr. has only three fights at middleweight, the aforementioned Duddy and Lyell fights and one against Troy Rowland, which was a ruled a no-contest in the wake of Chavez Jr. testing positive for a diuretic, illegal in Nevada. In the wake of Top Rank’s deal with rival network Showtime to air the last Manny Pacquiao fight, suddenly, Zbik was an acceptable fighter for HBO and they soon agreed to show the fight.

    When asked if airing this fight was a plea of “Please come back and bring Manny with you,” Arum replied, “No. I think HBO made a mistake rejecting Martinez for Zbik. But be that as it may, Chavez is not Martinez yet. You can’t put them in the same category. If they reject a fighter for Martinez, that doesn’t mean that the fighter isn’t appropriate for Chavez. In other words, it’s like if a batter is used to a pitcher who throws 60 MPH and does well and you put him in with a pitcher who throws 100 MPH and he strikes out. So you want to match guys appropriately and Martinez is an experienced guy who has fought really good fighters. You can maybe make an argument to reject Zbik for Martinez but that argument doesn’t pertain to Chavez because this is the best guy he has fought.”

    A solid argument for sure but then, by that logic, what does this belt really mean?

    “I don’t know what any of these belts mean, frankly,” said Arum. “I guess, technically, Martinez had to fight Zbik to keep the belt; he didn’t. They stripped him and it enabled the WBC to make Chavez vs. Zbik but Martinez had that choice. The fact that HBO wouldn’t buy the fight doesn’t give him an excuse not to fight the guy.”

    Again, a fair point. On the flipside, that Martinez does not sell tickets seems to be the main reason Top Rank will use to avoid Martinez should Junior get his first title. After all, why put the limited kid in with Martinez, who is a complete and dangerous fighter when they can match him with the fading Puerto Rican star Miguel Cotto and sell a ton of tickets and pay-per-views in an in-house fight?

    “Obviously, [Martinez] is a great champion,” Chavez Jr. told me. “I consider him the best middleweight in the world but I have a promoter and a manager. This is a business. If it makes sense to fight Cotto instead of [Martinez], that is what I am going to do. It is up to them.”

    “Martinez hasn’t demonstrated that he is much of a ticket seller,” said Arum. “To be fair, Chavez is Mexican and there are a lot of Mexicans in this country. Mexican-Americans and Martinez is Argentinean and there aren’t so many.”

    “I really didn’t know that story. I didn’t know the politics of it,” said Roach when I informed him of the history of the belt they are fighting for. “I just knew [Zbik] was the champion. I was wondering who he won the title off of. [Zbik] has the belt. It’s important to beat this guy. Then after this fight, [Miguel] Cotto says he wants to win a belt at 160. I want that fight.”

    You wouldn’t want to fight the champion, Martinez, next?

    “Why? I’d rather fight Cotto first,” answered Roach. “I think [Cotto] is a much bigger fight because Martinez is that well-known yet.”

    But Martinez is the real champion.

    “Yes he is [the champion],” agreed Roach. “He is also a very good athlete. I don’t think he is a great fighter but he is a great athlete. Cotto is a bigger fight for us and then Martinez can come after that because Martinez will always be there. I want to catch Cotto now because I think Cotto is near the end and I think it is good timing and timing is important in life.”

    In essence, Martinez will be there just like Shane Mosley was against Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao, older and more vulnerable, two years after his best win over Margarito.

    “We never didn’t want to fight Mosley because of how good he was,” said Roach. “It was a money issue. We were getting more money with other fights. Risk vs. reward wasn’t there.”
    http://www.maxboxing.com/news/main-lead/julio-cesar-chavez-redux-or-secondo-carnera
    :hat
     
  13. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    GO CHAVEZ JR.!

    Atleast someone has the sack to call out Maravilla!
     
  14. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    How is cotto more near the end then martinez? martinez is 36, Roach just needs to admit cotto does more money and thats why he wants that fight, also cotto is more beatable then martinez.
     
  15. link2296

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    Arum will never let that fight happen...he will give up the WBC title before he puts Junior in the ring with Maravilla...that is if Junior gets past Zbik.