has carl froch really got the best resume at 168?..

Its insane why people are even questioning Frochs resume. Since he won a world title belt, he has only fought elite opposition. He hasn't once ducked or made any excuses, or fought any bums. He has flown all over the world to defend or challenge against elite boxers. No one around nowadays has done it the hard way as Froch has, and he should be given maximum respect for it.

Whats even sadder is Haye and Khan are given more respect/limelight in the UK, even though Frochs fought better fighters. Although i like Haye, Froch would never have taken this long to fight the Klitchkho's, in fact, he would have fought them in his next defence!

 

Ward - Kessler, Abraham, Bika, Green, Miranda
Froch - Johnson, Abraham, Kessler (L), Dirrell, Taylor, Pascal

Froch has the sexier names but Ward beat Kessler pretty decisively and for me that tips the scale in Ward's favor.

You have to take losses into consideration when looking at resume, similar to Khan and Bradley. Khan has the better names but Bradley wasn't brutally stopped by someone like Prescott.

 

Ward has the best single win, in kessler.

Froch has the deepest resume at 168, but it is being exagerated a touch.

But he is a saxon fighter so its bound to happen.

 

With Froch-Abraham, yes, I was one of those who viewed it as a 50-50 fight. But that was before I knew Abraham would curl into a useless plank like Clottey did against Pac (another fight which I thought would be competitive, but after witnessing it, I don’t regard it as that good of a win). There’s nothing wrong with revisionism in some cases. Ask everyone what they now think of Pac’s win against Oscar. This is boxing. A sport which, due to many unforeseen factors and circumstances, can force us fans to be the most fickle fans of all.

And in regards to old, past-prime Johnson.... the people who wanted to hype the fight up to something it wasn’t may have given him a big chance, but I didn’t give him anything. It was nothing more than procedure for Carl so that he could get to the final.

 

Ward has one win. As impressive as it was, it doesn't override Froch's wins over Pascal, Taylor and Johnson. Froch was also more impressive against Abraham, taking less punches, landing more and losing fewer rounds.

 

Why? The reason Abraham did nothing is purely because of Froch. The reason Clottey did nothing is because of Pacquiao. You can't detract from a shutout because what one guy was doing completely negated what the other fighter wanted to do. It's just that, because of Clottey's and Abraham's style, it tends to look like they put no effort in. The fact is, they were shut out and their styles made it look embarrassing. To me though, there isn't a real difference between a defensive minded fighter getting shut out embarrassingly and an offensive minded fighter getting shut out. One looks a lot worse, yes, but the effort and failure of their gameplan is the same.

There's a bit of a difference between what we're talking about and Pacquiao/Oscar though. People thought Abraham had the style to beat Froch and the power to knock him out. He had neither but people made their predictions knowing his limitations. Oscar was simply old and weight drained and we didn't know what he'd look like.

 

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Spot on.

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Froch was more impressive over Abraham, most definitely.

Froch wasn't that impressive to me in the Taylor and Johnson fights for them to override the Kessler discrepancy.

Anyway, Froch is a beast and will take on anyone so I don't want to be too critical. I wish more boxers were like Carl mentally.

 

Damn, this post makes literally every point I was going to say to that guy.

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Exactly, not much you can do when you have a big stiff jab from Froch ramming your face for 12 rounds

 

Although I agree with your opinion on how todays SMW's would have compared to those fighters, you're talking about fighters (except Calzaghe) that weren't really SMW's. Jones had 1 fight (in which admittedly he was excellent), Hopkins didn't fight at 168, James Toney couldn't make MW and fought a couple of handy fights on his way to fattening up to HW and that leaves Calzaghe.

It seems kinda unfair to compare true SMW's to multi-weight world champions who stopped or in some cases did not stop by the division.

 

I disagree. There is a big difference between shutting out an offensive fighter, and shutting out a defensive one. The former is much harder to do. Froch’s and Pacquiao’s job was made easier because of the fighters before them.

I only mentioned Pac-Oscar because it was similar to Froch-Abraham, in that one fighter exceeded our expectations, whilst the other failed to live up to them. Whether that was because they were drained or weren’t as good as what we thought they were, is besides the point. The fact is, it was their handicaps which notably contributed to their opponents enjoying an easier night. Now that is in no way Pac or Froch’s fault. Huge credit to them for doing what they did, and shame on us for not recognizing their qualities earlier. But, having learned from what we saw in those contests, you can’t expect us to ignore the things which worked in their favour.

 

How many fights have ward and kessler had where they've had to deal with jet lag and away fans... oh wait

 

Yes.

 

This is a convoluted anti Froch post that makes no sense. Froch and Kessler are in the super 6 and they will win and lose. Just appreciate the fact that both guys have stepped up their comp in the last couple of years.