Calz vs Hopkins - how will outcome affect your rankings?

Rumsfield said tarver was p4p that is why i said that. Also if you look into the circumstances: Winky was never a 170 lb fighter in a million years.

 

Well, if i'm not mistaken, he was listed on the P4P lists before his loss to Hopkins. I mean when you beat a legend and start cleaning out the LHW division, people tend put you on the P4P lists.

 

He was not p4p material is what I was saying. It is like saying Winky is p4p now because he is on a very respected list: The Ring's. When he quite clearly is not.

 

See, now you are using your subjective opinions to argue facts. And the FACT is that at the time BEFORE Tarver lost to Hopkins, he was on most P4P lists because he had just beat RJJ and Glen Johnson. In hindsight, it's easy to say that he isn't a P4P fighter right now. Anyone can do that. But let's stick with facts. Before his fight with Hopkins, he was on most P4P lists.

 

Except when he gets knocked unconcious. :dead

 

And the thing is, a lot of people thought Tarver won both fights against Johnson. It was a SD when he lost but he dominated Johnson in the rematch.

I mean what these people are doing is easy for anyone to do. Look at where a fighter is now and say, "He wasn't P4P material". It doesn't work that way. Sometimes, people are on the P4P list because of who they beat and not necessarily their talent level. Tarver had accomplished a ton before fighting Hopkins. He beat RJJ for Christ sakes. And he was impressive in his two fights with Johnson, who by the way, was another guy who destroyed RJJ.

 

so he cnt win in ur eyes

 

We are on the same page.

It's so important to see the circumstances leading up to a particular fight. What was the public perception? Who did the experts think would win? What were the odds?

 

If joe wins is should bump B-hop and JMM down and have Joe in p4p #2 but i can never see him replacing PBF.