How does Mayweather keep Victor Ortiz in his place.......

Everyone gets tired at some stage in a fight.

There are times in Floyd's career where he tries to grab a rest on the ropes, by using his defense to avoid punches, problem here is, his defense might be negated by the southpaw stance, as the power hand will be coming from where he likes to bend to, to avoid punches. Ortiz is a good body puncher to, he brings uppercuts into play and mixing them in with his combos(both hands), he has power, and just generally puts his punches together well in combination when you stand infront of him, although he does stay there too long after landing at times.


Berto didn't choose to slug it out with Ortiz imo. Berto tried to back Ortiz up, and open up his southpaw stance with his aggression, which you sometimes have to do against a left who is counter punching off the backfoot, problem was, Berto comes in fat with his punches, leaves spots for you to counter him inbetween, and because of his chin issues, Ortiz's power, straighter punching, he was able to hurt Berto, and that is how the fight developed into the fire fight it did, Ortiz smelled blood, and so went after him. Almost every-time Berto tried to back Ortiz up, he would get nailed, and it would manifest into a war, cause Ortiz would go after him.

You think if Ortiz gets desperate, and starts falling behind, that the jab is gonna keep him at bay, and the movement is gonna offset him the whole night? I would question that, I think Ortiz will turn it up, force Mayweather to move at a faster pace than he would like, or work at a harder pace than he would like, which could lead to Mayweather having to engage Ortiz more, and that is where this fight might become interesting.

 

Mosley is an old fighter, with aged reflexes, not only was Mayweather able to get close to him, Cotto was able to get close to him, as Mosley cant react when he see's his opportunity's, its easier to utilize your speed get close to a guy that cant pull the trigger.

Mayweather couldn't stop Marquez, I dont know where people are getting this, Mayweather by KO from.

 

Its not that he will start a war with him, its what he might be forced to do, to counter the pressure.

Moving at a faster pace than you comfortable with, cause you under pressure, takes more energy. There is a difference between moving around the ring, and being forced around the ring.

Hatton made Floyd fight at a faster pace than he was comfortable with imo, and Hatton got inside at times, problem is, Hatton smothered himself when he got there, could not connect, its only when Hatton started to tire, and the gap between them got bigger, that Mayweather really started to pick him off, but Ortiz's lefty stance, will help him land if he finds his way inside.

Ortiz is more dangerous, offensively inside, than what Hatton was imo, he's more precise, throws straight punches, is more powerful, and just has better variety in the way he puts his punches together.

 

Marquez is more skilled, but its to do with styles. Marquez's game is based on drawing you into mid range, then when you attack that space, he will start his offense(counters), but when you stay on the periphery of that range, and can connect cause you have a greater reach, you're able to pick and poke at him from out of range, and shut him down offensively, that's why Mayweather was able to neutralize JMM, not to mention, JMM did not acclimatize to the weight very well, he was bloated and slow.

I dont think he does either to be honest. Ortiz seems to be a guy that needs you to engage him, but I just worry for Mayweather, that if Ortiz applies pressure, whether Mayweather's legs, jab, long range game, will be enough to keep him out.

Floyd is big for the weight these days, granted, but he's still not particularly powerful imo.

IMO, you might be being a bit blase if you dont think Ortiz's southpaw stance will be a significant factor if Floyd tries to go into his shoulder roll.

I question whether getting low against Floyd would work. When you get low, and you try to do what Bradley does to protect himself, which is use perpetual head-movement, it could potentially invite Floyd to do what Jones was able to do to negate Toney's shell defense, to get off first whilst he's in the crouch, land himself on the other side of you, where by you cant counter out of the crouch, as he's on the wrong side of you.

 

The shoulder roll is used to combat the right hand, and the left hook. You roll with the right, and either bend under the hook, or you catch it on the right glove which is protecting your chin, and because most fighters throw in a certain sequence, to where their weight is distributed, its easier to anticipate what punch is coming next, like if someone throws a right hand, their weight is distributed on the left leg, therefore majority of fighters will look to follow up with a left hook, as that is where their weight is distributed, now you rinse and repeat this, add a lot of experience, it can be impenetrable, which Mayweather is against conventional fighters, but the whole dynamic changes against a southpaw, and Ortiz isn't just a southpaw, he actually puts his punches together well when inside, has a good body attack, and can bang.

Mayweather thinks he can get close to Ortiz, he's making a mistake imo.