Why is Haye so confident?

Exactly what I'm thinking, problem being is that Haye is going to be even cagier IMO and look for openings himself. I think someone is going to have to lead at somepoint (you'd hope) and I can't see how it's going to go down. I reckon Wlad will probe at some point and let right hand go, if Haye gets around it I think he would've been instructed to back up, let Haye into him and throw the left hook as Haye throws his one, much wilder. The handspeed disparity will be hard for Wlad to counter at that point, but then I think he can fire back under Hayes assault. He isn't the kinda' guy to get hit once and then disappear, he usually folds after some consistent pressure once his legs are gone. I think even the sloppier shots he was throwing in retreat against Sanders and Brewster (when he was far less of a fighter than he is now) will be enough to dissuade/hurt Haye, giving Wlad time to hold and recover (which will deplete Hayes stamina)

I honestly do think that Haye is gonna' shoot the jab to the body and step out as long as Wlad is trying to find his range and accuracy and establish his pace. Wlad is going to have to get confident at some point, to either knock Haye out or to force Haye into deep waters by presenting him with an opportunity to strike. Haye will very much 'do a Valuev' IMO and only attack in very sporadic bursts, pulling off more clean work whilst not getting in too much danger and hoping he wins on the cards.

As you've said earlier, Wlad is faster, more intelligent, more athletic, more skilled, more experienced and hits much harder than Valuev. Which is why I think Haye will have less success outmanouvering this big guy compared to The Giant, which will almost certainly lead the above scenario I've highlighted, and not an absolute borefest. It will be Wlad making it a fight, on the basis he's good enough to show up Hayes poor positioning and bad balance. He will back himself into places he did not against Valuev on the sheer basis that Wlad is a much better ring technician than Valuev, and Haye will be forced to fight or found often IMO.

In short, I don't think that Haye is good enough at either thing he does (backfoot 'point scoring'/explosive counter puncher) to beat Wlad. I do not envision much 'trading' when it does get a bit hairy, but simply think that Haye doesn't have enough power to put Wlad away quickly enough that his sloppiness in going for the finish doesn't see him get clobbered. Or rather that, before he gets an opportunity to hurt Wlad, he will get twatted.

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(9:08) not really landing a jab or anything, Wlad is merely pushing his left hand out to gauge his range. I don't think it will take much to convince him to throw a right hand, and a low slung left is simply not a good idea against Wlad IMO. Remember, both men like a cagey start usually, and Wlad always let's something go in the 2nd.

I WOULD F'N LOVE IT IF HAYE CAME OUT IN A RED T-SHIRT THOUGH:happy:bbb

Let's hope my ultra pessimistic view doesn't come to fruition and Haye surprises us all with a decimation!

 

Darth Booth has had a plan worked out for both brothers for years now

I think if Haye were fighting Vitali then we could expect a Valuev style performance off the back foot

Wlad is a different prospect & I expect Haye to go after him early, not in a wild-swinging gung-ho fashion but with a method & reasoning behind it. Everyone, including my senile grandma knows Wlad doesnt like pressure & doesnt have a great chin.

I'm expecting Wlad to be the more tentative at the start of the fight & Haye to time & slip his jab then throw a big overhand right

 

"David Haye won't be fighting a Valuev type of fight"

 

I'm not sure about the plan of attack against Vitali to be honest.

Wouldn't surprise me to see something similar to Pascal vs Dawson, Vitali isn't great at timing punches, he just throws a lot of shots from his shoulders. Usually that's more than enough when an opponent is stood in front of him doing very little.

As for Wlad, I think the Valuev tactics would be unsuccessful. He's not got the legs to use that kind of style against someone with Wlad's attributes, plus Wlad has shown us before that he's content to coast to a decision victory of the occasion demands it. Picking his pockets simply isn't an option, IMO of course.

Neither is bumrushing, what we have learned in Haye's limited HW career so far is that he likes to retreat and step in when the opponent is out of position. But - and they'll know this - Wlad is very seldom out of position, especially square on or with his feet together.

Like Flea said, it's going to take something different for him to win this fight. He doesn't have the legs to pull off the Valuev, he doesn't have enough confidence in his chin to go in all guns blazing.

Steward will have Haye sussed. If he can work out plans for the likes of Leonard, Duran and how Holyfield can beat Bowe I'm sure this is a relatively straight forward assignment tactically.

Keep the distance, watch out for the right hands with stamps on them. Don't try clinching in close. Work the body to slow Haye down.

 

I cant see Haye losing to be honest. Vlad has been made to look much better than he actually is due to the shabby state of the HW division, and he has been beaten by guys I reckon Haye would beat handily.

 

I'm not sure Haye beats Brewster......... and I'm certain he'd be stretched by Sanders.

 

BOLD/LINED:Makes no sense whatsoever IMO. Has as much relevance as me saying 'Haye lost to Carl Thompson, who Wlad would beat easily'. Surely the point I've just boldtyped apllies to Haye as well?

 

maybe ive got this all wrong but i think the obvious thing for haye to do is to slip under wlads jab and go for the body..when anybody gets close to wlad he trys to hold....at this point haye needs to use his speed and footwork to work his way out again and throw the right hand in the process. obviously its easy for me to say because im not fighting him but thats the plan i'd have. haye's alot smaller than wlad but i don't see this as a disadvantage at all ;-)

 

Haye is an unknown quantity, only stopped C and D class heavies. John Ruiz is his best result and he clubbed the man to the ground with rabbit punches. He will know what a real heavyweight punch feels like on July 2nd. RIP Haye.

 

Why shouldnt he be confident. His fast and packs dynamite in those hands.

 

I really think the thing people seem to forget about Haye is how accurate he is. He doesn't just wing wild punches straight away he throws crisp powerful 1-2's and then starts throwing the hayemakers when he hurts you.

Haye always starts out tentative but if he can just put a couple of punches together I think it will deter wlad. Which will give Haye more time to pick his shots, I can see Haye hurting wlad in the 3rd or 4th round and then going all out for the win.

 

I love how when a thread is going well with actual decent debate there's always one **** who has to come along and wank his General Forum spunk all over it. In this case, that **** is you Money Shot.

 

Do u really belive him?

 

Love this post!