I like this post and how you explain yourself and our differences. Just for the record, I might actually rank Jeff in an historical sense (how...
"I struggle to envision that same man becoming a high ranked contender in latter eras." I question if this is actually the correct question to...
I take no side on the fix thing, as claiming a fight was a fix was done for almost every fight back then. Boxing had a lot of enemies and the...
"Yes he used each punch but only when there was a time and a place for each punch." With a scheduled 45 rounds and it hotter than Hades, what...
"you can compare Rocky with say Usyk" Sure, but I was thinking more of comparing Jeff to modern super-heavyweights. The size of Jeff's...
I would like to raise an issue with you. I just watched the "complete" surviving film of Johnson-Jeffries. Jeff doesn't show much of any kind...
I agree with this. 180 to 190 lb fighters beating guys from 210 to 220 or even larger was the norm over the decades. As a percentage of body...
"Jeffries . . . was never really beaten." ???? I think you mean in his prime. *I just re-watched the Johnson fight. The problem with it is...
"Dempsey beat Willard and Firpo . . . so I'd be confident picking him in this fight." I would consider the 1951 Louis the favorite over either...
I do. Your case would be much more convincing if Jeff were actually fighting guys in a higher weight class than Marciano's opponents. But the...
Since 1960 there has been an explosion of size so it becomes hard to compare with earlier times. As both Jeff & Marciano fought prior to 1960, I...
"it's just a fact that he never beat a guy who would be a modern sized HW fighter." Neither did Jeffries. That is the flaw with the size...
I understand the point you are going for, but Jeffries in fact failed to defeat a man about 20 lbs. lighter than Marciano, (Joe Choynski) and...
Yes, but was it true prior to 1960? Corbett--no Fitz--no Jeff--yes Hart--didn't win from champ, but beat a smaller man, so yes Burns--no...
"Marciano never beat a world class fighter the size of Jeffries" I think this is a circular argument though, as there weren't any except for...
