One thing, Graziano did not knock out Hunter, apparently. I will put the AP quote up on that one. The others he did. Here are the weights of...
"defeating the A team" LaMotta never really beat Villemain. Dauthuille lost to all the other top Euro fighters but beat Jake. Mitri doesn't...
"You can make a good case for Villemain above Cerdan" A case based on no real evidence. Unlike the case for Villemain over LaMotta which is...
"Villemain beat Delannoit and established himself as France's top middleweight" A 22 year old welterweight beating a green 20 year old...
LaMotta's dubious or close decisions have been alluded to, but Jake won 9 split decisions over the years, and the controversial fights besides...
Just on Robert Villemain being a welter in France prior to 1948, I dug up some info: 10-14-1946-----Villemain wins French welter title from Omar...
"novice Lavern Roach" Roach was coming off a win over Tony Janiro two months earlier. If he was a novice, what does that say about LaMotta who...
"Robert Villemain proved himself France's top middleweight as early as 1946." He and the Belgium Delannoit fought at WELTER in 1946. How a 22...
must go now but will be back. Am enjoying discussion and am learning a great deal about 1940's middleweights.
As world champion, okay. But none of these guys were that much prior to 1948, and Dauthuille was losing to all the others, but he beat LaMotta...
"at least he fought them" As none of those Euros you're naming were much of anything prior to 1948, when Cerdan was 32, how likely is it that he...
On the Euros who you say were better than Cerdan, my research doesn't support this. Actually, it is a circular argument because a guy like...
Robert Villemain fought Jake LaMotta on 3/25/1949. Here are the scores of the judges and the wire services. Referee Harry Ebbetts (6-4-2...
These were not the best men in Europe for most of Cerdan's career, and don't seem to have been as good as Charles Humez, who came a bit later....
Lesnevich backed into the title, but at least winning it seems legit. In 1939 Lesnevich got to the #1 rating by beating Dave Clark, Larry Lane,...
