"Marshall, Booker, Charles, and Moore" All fighters who peaked at light-heavy. "I cannot see Zale being above Burley or Williams" Fair...
Green beat Giardello. Hudson beat LaMotta. Brimm beat Williams and drew with Robinson. But on the whole I agree with you. "Graziano never beat...
yes, it has been interesting getting off the heavies and I have learned a lot discussing the 1940's middles on this and the Zale and Graziano...
I don't think, though, that a fighter who has three impressive KO's of welter champions is "massively" lacking in credentials. Who actually was...
"I don't know if there is another fighter in history who got 3 title shots despite not beating any top 10 fighters in his actual weight class."...
"I don't know if there is another fighter in history who got 3 title shots despite not beating any top 10 fighters in his actual weight class"...
"Who here claimed Robinson and LaMotta ducked Williams and Burley?" I did with LaMotta. I think it odd LaMotta couldn't arrange a bout with...
Eddie Booker Archie Moore (1-0-2) Lloyd Marshall (1-0) Holman Williams (1-1) Total 3-1-2 fights 3, beats 3, loses to 1, draws with 1 But, Booker...
The Mamakos part of this doesn't mean much. Mamakos was in the middle of a 3-11 run with 10 KO defeats when Charles got him. Mamakos doesn't...
Happy to see your top ten. Well, how does each fighter do against others in your top ten Charley Burley Charles--(0-2) Williams--(3-3 & 1 NC)...
Okay. Fair enough.
"Zale" Okay, I can see dropping Zale behind Burley and Williams. It does, however, depend on assuming competition during WWII was comparable to...
I agree with all of this except the first half of the Cerdan part. "Cerdan waited just as long as LaMotta with facing Williams" When he was in...
I wouldn't rate him very high. I think much of the criticism of him made on the Zale thread is valid. But what strikes me is how much of a cloud...
"Graziano even admitted LaMotta was his policeman" Then you should have no problem naming the fighters LaMotta policed. You haven't responded to...
