We got to see young Foreman pace himself and be more conservative - against Young. Other factors were probably at play as well, but it wasn't...
I agree. But you seem to be obsessed with this question only when it comes to Ali, when just about all former ATGs made their bones on much...
I would say that the moments of movement were relatively brief compared to the clinching only in the rounds Ali lost. In the ones he won it was...
What is happening here? You can't be serious. Patterson was 37 in his last fight. He had not improved, quite the opposite. Neither had unranked...
The ones I named by name of course: Chuvalo and Patterson. And sit down on punches and blah, blah, blah - the fact his that his KO ratio...
Ok, so that would fall into the debunked category for me then. I think we in this thread has showed how that his punch resistance and inside game...
Yeah, we'll have to agree to disagree on both. And you also disagree with the men who faced Ali and with Ali himself, but I'm sure they agree to...
Yep. And I would hesitate very much to say that somewhat green 'Spoon was better than ageing Norton, but one of Holmes's best opponents for sure....
Witherspoon was in '83, and for me '82 is still early 80's. So the natural conclusion was that you meant more towards the middle 80's. But the...
Yeah, Ali-Frazier 1 and 3, Norton-Ali 2, Foreman-Lyle, Shavers-Lyle and Norton-Holmes were regular snooze fests.
It's not like Bowe, Mercer, Ike and Tua have a deep resume even between them. It reads something like Holy, Ruiz, Byrd and Morrisson. Still...
Yes. This was after all an era where they held titles and Moorer, Foreman and Briggs were lineal champions.
That I think is buying into Futch's narrative way too much. The movement made a big, big difference. I agree that too much clinching was allowed,...
The only argument I can see for the 90's is that they were bigger an therefore better h2h. But in that case I suppose the current era is the best...
