"Matthews . . . unrated every time he fought Co-kell." No Matthews was rated #8 at heavyweight when he fought Co-kell in 1953. He was still...
"Harris . . . did not deserve at title shot without beating Eddie Machen." Folley hadn't beaten Machen either. This thread is about Folley, but...
Suzie, you are lumping Machen and Folley together, but they really weren't in the same class going into 1958. Machen had KO'd Valdes, Jackson,...
"My opinion is Johansson was a bit intimidated by Sanders' size" Reasonable guess. He probably hadn't fought that many really big fellows. "and...
My take is this might tell us more about Patterson than Johansson. Shrinks have something they call "reflecting" or the mirror effect. It is...
Okay, I agree Jones was basically the same man. Folley deserves full credit for outpointing Jones. But it does remove the fact that in the...
"Machen barely lost to Harold Johnson." I had Johnson the close winner. Johnson was 21-1 from 1956 to 1965. Many of his fights were at...
"he did even up the score against Doug Jones" ? He outpointed Jones in their first match when Jones was a light-heavy. When Jones later moved...
"Machen took him very lightly and got caught cold." Is this supposed to matter? Not properly scouting or respecting an opponent doesn't earn...
"Folley beat Eddie Machen in his prime at Eddies own game, by outboxing him." That was Folley's game. The record shows he wasn't that big of a...
on Folley versus Williams From 1956 to 1965 Folley had more depth, and of course had extra time as Williams was shot in 1964, helping him have a...
"One of the most overrated heavyweights etc.," So you ranked him #32 all time on your top 50 heavyweight list!? "He stayed away from punchers."...
Lots of fighters outpointed Chuvalo. Bonavena was an 8 fight tyro. Even greener than Powell against Norkus or Lavorante against Folley. These...
I have something I have to do, but as Arnold says, I'll be back, because I find this a fun thread, and I want to respond, especially to Williams...
Back to insulting Ingo. Seriously, just stepping out of a fun thread--I think you should drop calling heavyweight champions cowards. It just...
