Yes, I've seen this elsewhere - even when the final tallies show the judges more or less in agreement, the round-by-round scores can be all over...
I haven't actually made a scorecard of my own. I'm quite sceptical about the whole idea of scoring fights from film, specially old films like...
Official scorecards: Luftspring Terrell: 455 554 555 555 554 = 72 Chuvalo: 554 455 444 444 445 = 65 Nobert Terrell: 555 455 555 555 554 = 73...
Both organisations were still very much rooted in the US and took the line that refusing induction meant that Ali just didn't deserve to be...
The WBA tried to put together an elimination tournament featuring Terrell, Patterson, Williams and Doug Jones. But Patterson refused to take...
I admit I'd never heard of him, but found this article - about his supposed retirement in March 1950 - in the Arizona Sun....
I remember this thread. The section of the fight available on Youtube actually only shows the first four rounds plus a fragment of the fifth....
Well, exactly. The only way to make it work is by pretending Williams was in his prime when he fought Muhammad Ali. I think you may have just...
I'm not clear what you think a "straw man argument" is, but I can promise you it isn't pointing out the factual inaccuracies in someone's post....
Unfortunately I didn't say anything about "all these top rated guys". What I said was that you were wrong to claim that he lost in his prime...
So... still no luck remembering all those "spectacular" losses you said Williams suffered in his prime? It's ok, I can wait. Give it some more...
Williams drew with Machen. London was beaten by Machen in one-sided fashion. You've defined both those results as "neither of them beat Machen"...
There's no reasoning with someone who thinks a draw and a one-sided 5-round beating are basically the same thing.
I notice you haven't attempted to defend your claim that "He'd already failed to beat the best fighters he had faced. He usually lost in those...
This is the part where people's attempts to talk down Cleveland Williams always go off the rails. In his prime, Williams was clearly defeated by...
