In what way was Liston a bully? I hear this repeated over and over and have never seen it explained. Is every fighter with a big punch a bully?
It's hard to know if Clay could have beaten Liston. I don't think we ever saw a legitimate fight between the two to help draw any conclusions.
I think Liston went down before he was supposed to. That caught Clay off guard and confused him.
There were probably quite a few betters on Douglas. The casino sets the odds to get an equal amount of money on each side.
Exactly. Both fights had an odor to them. In the second fight, Walcott knew better than to handle the knockdown the way he did. He had spent his...
In the second fight, how do you explain Liston being KOed when he was not counted out? There was never a count. How do you explain Clay not being...
Moore almost beat Rocky. Moore swore to his dying day that he would have beat him if the referee hadn't mistakenly given Rocky a standing 8 count...
That was the second fight which was definitely a fix.
Today is the 50th anniversary of the 1964 Clay-Liston fix. Here's an article about what the FBI thought of the fight....
The 2nd fight was a fix. The 1st one may have been, also. I think he was murdered. I'm not sure why he was murdered.
Patterson was knocked down 21 or 22 times as champion. I'm sure that's a record.
Your examples prove my point. Entertainment has a neutral effect on society because it's perceived value is subjective. I would rather go bear...
Frazier would have a hard time with Patterson because he would have to get down on the canvas to find him.
I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of a fighter... With Liston, Foreman and Tyson, I might have a ghost of a chance of staying away from them....
Neither. Boxing is entertainment, like all sports. It's never cured a cancer or grew hair on a bald head. It's just entertainment.
