"Jeffries is compared by Fleischer to moderns" So. I'm not Fleischer and I think his ratings and point of view are often bizarre. Here's...
My purpose in this thread is exploring if LaMotta has been overrated and Olson underrated. It is interesting that Olson held the title longer,...
"It was widely accepted that Schaaf's death was due to the Baer beating" Accepted by whom? The physician who did the autopsy put down the cause...
In and of itself, 35 is not ancient for an athlete. I can name all kinds of competitors who performed very well past 35 in not only boxing, but...
I would take Spinks. Maxim was a big light-heavy but didn't have the power that Spinks would bring to the table. Off the Maxim fight, I don't...
This is a mistaken post, but I will take this space to just give my overview. I think much of what McVey and you say about Jeff has some...
"Willard . . . did break a man's neck and killed him with an uppercut. Did Jeff?" For me, this is the most distasteful argument boxing fans...
"Schmeling would beat Fitz H2H" I am glad you are sure of this. I can't be. Schmeling got blown out in one round by Gypsy Daniels. He went 7...
A couple of comments from someone who followed closely Liston's career back in the day 1--"Hated"--in a way, but the Senate investigation which...
"Does ( ) rate all time status for beating ( )?" Possibly a great win would cement ATG status. But ATG status rests for me on total career...
but they were not fighting under today's rules and Jeff was better under the rules they fought under. Conn would have outpointed Louis if the...
Fitz "was greater overall" Who's disputing that? He was a unique triple champion. No one has ever been champion over such a wide weight span as...
Harry Matthews was rated #6 at heavyweight by Ring Magazine in the August (to June 12) and September (to July 18) 1952 issues. I have read that...
"it is IMO actually Fitz who was the best of the best certainly not Jeff" Well, Fitz rates a mile higher p4p. But the fact is these two men...
