An excellent discussion. Klompton2 ably presented the pro-Robinson position which I support, so I can only elaborate. Charles & Moore--these men...
"I don't believe I mentioned the word battlefield" Okay, but honestly I think war analogies to any sport are best avoided. "playing American...
"I would suggest most servicemen would sooner be in a theatre of war than in the ring with a ranked heavyweight contender intent on koing you."...
I have no problem with anyone who rates Johnson above Marciano either on record or h2h, but for me "heavy favorite" is a bit over the top. I...
I would point out that if size is used for a basis of greatness, it means that greatness is transitory. Big in your own time doesn't mean big all...
Haven't got much to add to all the posts, but this reminds me of a saying common out here in the west-- "There never was a horse that couldn't be...
I think it less that these ratings are so bad as Fleischer's comments. For example-- "There is scarcely an old-timer who would give Ray a chance...
Williams breaking into the ratings is a bit off the main point which was originally raised. Here is a quote from the article-- "By 1959, he was...
"blonde Lee" I saw the Williams-Lee fight back then. It has been close to sixty years, and my memory might well betray me, but I think Lee was...
I think his two year break from boxing was due to military service.
It is not surprising that there is such a gulf between opinions here. For me, Williams is an enigma. He was a big puncher with perhaps a shaky...
"he was the logical challenger to Floyd Patterson's heavyweight crown" I agree that this is such an off the wall statement that it calls into...
On the original question--I don't agree with the high ranking for Ketchel and think the Robinson of 1951 would have handled him, but rating Greb,...
"Burley fought--Williams, Wade, Moore, Chase, Charles, Marshall, Bivins, Lytell, Cocoa Kid" "If you think he . . . was overated, you need to do...
"Armstrong refused to fight Burley who had beaten Zivic twice, instead he fought Zivic!" You just made my point. Armstrong deserves criticism...
