I think these guys, Liston in particular, are overlooked as genuine big men. People talk about their prime weights and in Listons case his height...
Frazier for me is too good at getting inside and VKs footwork is too poor to keep away from him. I see Joe working that long torso and breaking VK...
I think the biggest improvement in Manny of late (read Diaz, DLH and Hatton fights) is his ability to turn opponents and his footwork in changing...
You see him doing better than 56-5 against Alis opponents? Id pick Frazier 3x, Foreman, Liston 2x, Holmes at the time Ali fought them to beat VK...
Foster claimed to have beaten Ali as an amateur
Jones Ruiz Weigh in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrHydFIwfBo&feature=related
You are right he officially weighed in at 193. He and Mackie Shilstone both claim the scale was wrong and he had weighed 199-200 on their own...
Was Fleischer actually the timekeeper? I always thought he was just ringside and told Walcott Liston was out. I know they start fighting again...
I find it odd that Liston was on his feet fighting when the second Ali fight was stopped. Also Jose Torres claims he was still using smelling...
Langford and Jackson would be my picks
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:good I have no problem with that train of thought
Ruddock had actually won this title when he beat Phil Jackson but relinquished it to fight Lennox Lewis in a WBC title eliminator
Who is he beating for the title at heavy or if there was a cruiser title holder back then? Im not convinced he wins the title at lightheavy to be...
