I thought the thread is about Quarry versus Dempsey. Quarry lost badly twice to Frazier. Losing badly to someone doesn't make anyone good. My...
Ali aside, this list of Frazier victims is not exactly awesome. Chuvalo lost to most of the good men he fought. Mathis only beat Chuvalo....
"Box Rec classified him" And they classify Joe Choynski as a heavyweight. Glad that settles that. Box rec classifies Choynski as a heavy, Fitz...
"We might one day have a complete record for Jeffries" My take is we'll never know. Too many years have gone by. Everyone is dead. We are...
Classifying a 175 lb. man as a middleweight? Without a primary source indicating he weighed 159 against Creedan, there is really no worthwhile...
"would not have his entire record discovered by 2017" The word record means what is recorded. If no one kept records of the fights, there is no...
I think the apparent size of the legs could depend on the trunks. Later trunks tended to flare a bit, so it is hard to tell the exact contours of...
I will yield to you if you feel you can judge off a photo that accurately. I can't tell. Sonny Liston looked as muscular as Jeff to me, was...
At one point Baker was a middleweight, but his weight is given as 170 lbs. on fights-rec for his fight with Frank Slavin in 1896. His weight is...
Also, I am not on board with the way "evidence" or facts are selected. Take Henry Baker. It is true that the SF Call called him a "fat boy" with...
Just a point--the number of supposed fights Jeff and his opponents had--as listed by box rec--has been used both for and against him by Janitor...
"his era was far superior to Jeffries" And in fairness he wasn't all that good in his era, while Jeff was dominant in his. Of the men you named,...
Are you debating Jeffries' right to an atg rating, or whether he could defeat Chuvalo? I thought the point of this thread was Jeffries versus...
I am not as certain as you are about the versions of these three that Chuvalo fought beating Munroe. Yes, Munroe was not a top contender and Jeff...
Okay. Fair enough. Cleroux--did defeat Chuvalo two of three, though, and actually had a more consistent overall record. "Who were the rest of...
