"The bottom line is that if you stack up Liston, Ali, Quarry, Ellis, Bonavena, Johansson, Machen, etc.---my bet is Charles has a lot more losses,...
"He defended against his #1 every time" Fair enough that he defended against Johansson who knocked off Machen. And he did end up defending...
"washed up Nino Valdes" No matter how washed up, Valdes stopped London in fewer rounds than Patterson needed a couple of months earlier, and he...
I agree with your points about Sharkey. Age would have to defeat Tunney, not Sharkey. "Schmeling was losing Louis I prior to scoring the first...
"Kearns and Rickard (in fact the two of them probably completely distrusted one another)" For good reason, I think, but their interests in not...
"Of course Firpo was already being talked of as an opponent for Dempsey. That's the whole reason he was brought to the United States to begin...
What impresses me is the obvious build-up already underway for the 1923 matches with Gibbons and Firpo. Greb's victory over Gibbons is dismissed...
"weakest era" Perhaps and perhaps not, but the difference is that Charles faced the best of his era and always acquitted himself well. He beat...
There are valid criticisms of Charles' record, but Patterson is simply not the stick to use to beat him with. If either is overrated, I judge it...
My take is that up to about age 34 Charles was clearly better in that he was thrown to the wolves and fought all the toughies. Patterson? He got...
"very underrated because of his 2 KO 1 losses to Liston" Well, he should have been at his peak, at 27 and 28 years old. In two tries he...
"175/185-lb. 'heavyweights' don't have as much resume value as 210/220-lb. ones." Prior to 1960, this is nonsense. Which 210+ heavyweight...
I go with the consensus here. Robinson would outpoint Tiger but I don't think he could knock him out.
my take Jeffries----Certainly had the biggest upside, if he had been willing to drop the color line. A win over Johnson in 1904 or...
If there is one argument which is weaker for me than comparing old champions to modern super-heavyweights, it is the "contemporaries" said...
