On Toney being better than Machen- Janitor post #305 "I think we would have to say no based on records" ??????? Toney has a great long-term...
Okay. But let's take Adamek who was a champion in both the light-heavy and cruiser divisions. His record is 50-4 with 30 KO's. He has been...
"Vitally Klitschko was an attrition based knockout artist." Let's see what the records of Klitschko and Liston actually say on this point. Here...
Well, Machen, Folley, Williams, and Valdes also lost to light-heavyweights. Who's can be certain Adamek wouldn't beat Machen? You are...
The big question is who did these men fight who would be considered a big puncher, and when did they make the quotation quoted, one...
You have a point, but how many guys who were top ten when he fought them did Cleveland Williams defeat? What about Ingemar Johansson? If you...
I was responding to Janitor's post #236 which contained these quotes: "I also don't think there is a class of puncher beyond Williams in terms...
I have to second this point also.
I am another that seconds this post. Norton was just a much more proven fighter, and Williams' effective power seems to me to be overrated.
I was around when Patterson was active, and remember how he was judged by many of the boxing writers in his own day, and I think he is a very...
"Vitali's opponents are virtually weak in everything except size" Power punching? Strength in the clinches? My own take is that Vitali should...
"he didn't fight many ranked fighters" "the weakness of Vitally's opposition" "fighting guys in the top ten, which Vitally rarely did" "You have...
Yes, but the whole thing is sort of like watching a man drive a golf ball and trying to judge how far he can drive it just on the way he swings....
"Vitally's opponents don't have anything going for them apart from size." There are plenty of other guys just as big. They have enough going...
"the phantom punch if genuine . . . but most people here don't think it was." I am not most people. I think it legit. In fairness to Liston, he...
