on Foreman--I remember him being quoted as saying Liston was the hardest puncher he was ever in the ring with. Now it's Williams? The problem...
"you have to ask whether size is everything" This is a straw man argument. No one is claiming size is everything. Otherwise Carnera and...
I find this a very well-stated summation of the problem a number of folks including myself have with rating Dempsey at or near the top of...
I agree with you on the Byrd fight. I had it 5 to 4 Vitali after nine. "who in history is gonna stay standing" Perhaps Vitali. After all...
"Liston never really showed any vulnerability to punchers." Except when he got knocked out, Dempsey in an article in Sport Magazine in...
Who was the best man Williams put down for the count? Most of his KO's were of the TKO variety also. Williams is the equal of any puncher?...
I'll answer with a question of my own. Do you think Carmen Basilio's opposition was better than, let's say, the men Roland LaStarza defeated or...
"both made a career out of bullying smaller men" And Liston would be much the smaller man. "Liston beat up HOF and Vitali didn't." I...
"Liston beat up smaller men." "Vitali beat up smaller men." Vitali's smallest men were about as big as Liston and much bigger than most of...
While I have been critical of Vitali's resume, and especially his performance against Byrd, I have to take him here. Liston made his rep...
Fair position, but for me it would be a hard sell that Dempsey ever defeated anyone as good as the Sam McVea and Sam Langford that Wills...
Mine is on Wills.
"he would have been favored to win in both fights" Boxing (and all other sports) history is full of favorites who lost. My take is Wills was...
Reading through this thread, I think two separate issues are raised 1--the question of Jack Dempsey not defending against Harry Wills and Harry...
Marciano left in 1956, so the three of them were really rarely together as the champs of these three divisions. Only late 1955 and early...
