"past his prime" somewhat "far" He was only losing to top men like Jackson, Carter, and Machen other than Besmanoff, who lost a...
"He was never top 10 material in ANY stage of his career." My take would be that this is a little harsh. I think he was a fringe contender who...
Oh, come on. Machen was coming off a loss to Patterson. What kind of championship fights did Terrell have? Machen and Chuvalo had recently lost...
How impressive was he? He defeated Daniels twice by ten round decisions. In between those fights Daniels lost most of his other fights,...
I had never seen the Liston quote. Okay. I certainly agree that Pastrano has to be in top shape and focused. I'm assuming he would take Valdes...
"Patterson and Johansson tied up the title for 3 years" That might matter to Folley or Liston, and possibly Machen, who were top-rated...
I might be missing something, but where is Liston mentioned. What seems to be said is that if you can't handle the second-rate Erskine, it is...
"here they are talking about the feinting, moving, and skipping Erskine did" Too bad this doesn't show on the films which survive of Erskine. He...
I agree that Charles was a bigger scalp than any Pastrano had, but Johnson was a much better fighter than Valdes, beat Charles a month after...
Jackson is another guy whose best days were prior to 1956. He did defeat Baker twice, but lots of guys were beating Baker from this point...
Well, Ali's position at #3 indicates to me you are going only on what happened between 1956 and 1962. On that basis-- *Alex Miteff should...
"It shows Patterson wasn't any better" Losing to the same fighter doesn't at all prove two men are on the same level. All this proves is that...
You are arguing both sides of the street with this age thing. You keep referring to a "prime Moore" but Moore was older even in 1953 than Harold...
Holman was the NBA's top challenger in April of 1956. He fought Pastrano in February of 1957. In between he lost decisions to Bob Baker and...
"Why are you defending Pastrano here?" Because I don't like to see fighters trashed. "midget" As I posted above, this to me is a...
