"5 foot 9" Suzie-you have a tendency to take a point with an element of truth in it and exaggerate it until it loses all effectiveness with an...
I have something I have to do, but I'll be back tonight or tomorrow to continue the discussion.
"Why didn't Pastrano beat those great fighters himself when they were in their prime?" Because he was a boy then. He was 19 years old in 1955...
"Valdes' record at heavyweight blows away Pastrano's" Yes. I agree. But, Pastrano did defeat fighters who had wins over many of the top...
"Holman was past his prime when he fought Pastrano" He fought Pastrano before he fought Valdes. "Valdes beat him easily" And Pastrano beat him...
"If Valdes could beat Ezzard he would kill Pastrano" Another killer in fantasy matches. Too bad he couldn't beat Alex Miteff in their real...
Why do you consider Alex Miteff all that much better than Harris? "Valdes size punching power" Holman was not that much smaller than Valdes...
"He gave Pastrano credit for beating Harold Johnson" Because he did. "controversial decision" Not to me. I just watched it and scored...
"overprotected" Pastrano fought Del Flanagan, who was rated #4 at welter in that years Ring ratings in 1953 when he was 17. He defeated Bobby...
Actually, after 1953 and Italo Scortichini, when he was just turning 18, I don't think Pastrano lost or drew to anyone who was not rated at one...
True enough. Let's look at all the common opponents. Pat McMurtry--(Pastrano outpoints. Valdes KO's in one) D-ck Richardson--(Pastrano...
"what did Pastrano do to earn a top five rating from 1955 to 1958" If I were rating him, I would have put him in the light-heavyweight division...
to the best of my count, Valdes was 14-10 against the rated heavyweights on Suzie's list. Pastrano was 4-3. Valdes also had two losses to fighters...
One thing I noticed about Pastrano is that he was erratic, tending to lose to guys and then beat them in a rematch, while Valdes was consistent....
"some town in Ohio or Kentucky" Cleveland, Ohio "in a relatively small gym" Not at all. It was at Municipal Stadium (its first event...
