I'm still unclear as to what Ali's out of ring 'achievements' were.
If we're talking accomplishments Tyson doesn't do badly there either, youngest HW champ in history, incredible run of early KOs, unified champ,...
Comes back to the definition I guess, mine is different to yours. I guess it's all relative anyway, it's all opinion based.
I know, I just think in his prime, or should I say in his prime and on form, he was better than anyone else in their prime on form. Unfortunately...
Again...what was so great about most of those guys? Shavers would be a bum by today's standards, as would Quarry, Norton, Lyle, Williams. All...
But if comparing peak with peak, the time scale is irrelevant. If Tyson peaked for one month I would use that when comparing him with the peak of...
Nonsense, lots of his opponents trash talked him and refused to let him intimidate them and were promptly blown away. I was waiting for the...
Exactly. And if Tyson fought and beat Ali's opponents in the 80s they would be classed as bums. It's their competitiveness against Ali that made...
Failing to understand that 'great' can be used in more than one context is about as moronic as it gets. First we need to define what 'great'...
Ah right, now I understand, so the greatest boxer of all time is decided on cultural impact? I never said 'great' was a boxing term, it is a...
It can be used in the context of boxing though. I am saying there is some confusion as to what 'great' means in the context of boxing. Some say...
Did you watch the same fight as me? McCall was off his tits on coke and had a breakdown, walking around the ring crying, and instead of realising...
That is a dictionary definition of the word, not a definition of what great means in boxing terms. Surely you can't have missed the point that...
Most people do see him as those things though, which is why he IS overrated.
Boxing needs to agree on a universal definition of 'great' then.
