"it would have to be a 52-55 Patterson (a 17-19 yr. old emerging Floyd?)" I disagree. Johnson was good enough to have a chance against any...
"he could never have beaten him" Floyd fought in the low 180's in the 1950's. Not that different from Johnson. Johnson weighed 182, I think,...
No problem with disagreeing. That is why we have the board. You might be right and I might be wrong. But I have to go with what I see. I emphasize...
"Folley inarguabldy became less than he was at his best between Liston and Jones." It is not inarguable. I have not seen a film of the Liston...
"I don't expect anyone else to adopt my position, but when I've done my homework, I won't see it dismissed out of hand, either." I am not...
The fight with Liston was on 7-13-1960. The KO lost to Lavorante was on 5-11-1961. That is only ten months apart, with two victories in between....
No. Not quite. I think 21-30.
This is a perceptive post and you make a strong case. Machen and Folley could be counted on to out-box the second tier guys, but failed...
"Folley's prime run" Is basically against second-raters. I was looking at his record and he had a lot of fights against dubious opposition in...
Okay, you give a basis. "Machen was the home fighter" *Well, I used to live in San Francisco, and us folks from THE CITY certainly don't...
The way I would look at it also.
Folley's better jab gave him an edge against Machen head to head, but his weaker chin made him less effective against the field. Machen did better...
I think I will sneak in and give my current top 20 while no one is paying attention. Tom Cribb and John L Sullivan would make my top 20 on a...
Fair enough. I just thought it interesting that no one was discussing the other option. I rank Wlad in my top ten at this point.
Of the pre-1960's champions, I would only favor Louis to beat him.
