mattdonnellon one other slight disagreement. "Layne . . . short elite career and lost too many" Depends on what "elite career" means, but...
mattdonnellon Firpo--"he beat nobody of note and even against Dempsey he never had him buzzed." "never had him buzzed" This is not how...
mattdonnellon "I don't give as much credit for one massive win" Yup. Seems to be a fundamental disagreement. For me, the big win is what...
Thanks for the fun thread and the interesting discussion. I agree with about 95% or so of your choices, and most of your placements, but being the...
On the ten dominant champions sorry, but I don't think Dempsey belongs. Wills was his equal on paper and he did not defend against him.
Smith seemed to be relying on hearsay. I would wonder myself why Johnson would have to keep his word on throwing the fight if it was held in San...
On "second-tier" guys beating Ezzard Charles. Well, I've heard the argument that second rate modern NFL teams could handle the Bears of the...
That list shows me the weakness of considering paper champions, Between 1882 and 1930 there were 10 champions (Sullivan, Corbett, Fitz,...
Melio Bettina I think deserves a discussion. He moved up into the heavyweight division in early 1941 and over the next six years would go...
Mike Schreck--can't argue that Phil Jack O'Brien has a better case, as he beat Schreck several times, Begs the question of how Schreck rates...
of this list Loughran--can't see a good case for keeping him off. Defeated more champions and top contenders than any other non-champion....
I would put my money on Norton. He is just so much more than Tunney ever fought. Tunney could out jab the under six-footers he made his rep...
Choynski seems a lock with a win over Johnson and a draw with Jeffries. What about Schreck? 4-0 against Hart and Burns. Most of his defeats...
Nova--I have read some of the old Ring Magazines from the late thirties and Nova at that point was considered the man most likely to replace...
The Long Coung & mattdonnelion More on Hamas, I would consider any debate on the relative merits of Schaaf against Hamas moot, as both would...
