Here's the 1959 Ring yearly rankings Champion-Ingemar Johansson 1--Zora Folley 2--Floyd Patterson* 3--Sonny Liston 4--Henry Cooper*...
"Valdes had also cleaned out the entire Euopean HW scene." Why is this a big deal for Valdes but not for Johansson?
I don't see that Fulton proves much, however, as he was crushed by Wills. There is no reason to consider him in Wills' class. The two fights you...
There are more than four common opponents between Dempsey and Wills Charley Miller--was ko'd in one by both Wills and Dempsey. Even Willie...
I don't think the comparision between Langford and Flynn makes any sense. 1--Langford ko'd Flynn in 1 round in 1908. In 1910 they fought a...
----------------------------------------------------------------- "Cassius Clay was considered a joke" So. This is what is known as being...
"I was born in March, 1927" I guess the 1930 census got it wrong? But assuming Liston was in fact 37 in 1964, why do we need to conjure a fix...
Do you consider him a better fighter than Norfolk? And wasn't the victory over Gibbons on a foul, and didn't Gibbons soon reverse that with an...
Thanks for the excellent discussion fellows. I thought ChrisPontius & SuzieQ gave the anti-Dempsey critiques fairly and well.
"a great fighter. Maybe Billy Miske was too" You can't prove it off his record. About the time he was fighting Dempsey, he was losing twice to...
"Doink the clown" I don't know who Doink the clown is, but anyone who would get into the ring with a name like that must be tough.
I noticed that in the 1950 vote which Dempsey won, Greb got no support at all-not one vote I believe. I know some of the old time writers did...
I fall into the camp of those who think Sonny's drinking and lifestyle would have gotten to him sooner rather than later, and he probably would...
"he was slow, his jab was fair at its best" "he did not throw combinations, he did not go to the body, he did not hit nearly hard enough to get...
"supposed #1 prospect" Corn Griffin? Bad judgement, that. "#1 contender" Art Lasky. Okay, but Charley Retzlaff ko'd Lasky twice more...
