I guess that some time in 1965. Are you saying Izenberg is lying?
In his dressing room after the fight Liston said he could have gotten up but was waiting for Ali to move away and Walcott to start counting....
Yes,I think we are chasing shadows here.
Its a contemporary source because he was ringside watching the fight! OMG! Jimmy Cannon heard it too!
In general or on here? Corbett,Marciano,Schmeling,Carnera. To some extent; Wills
Well ,you find it and post it and I'll believe it!
The right set of circumstances were,1. Tyson did not train properly.2 He underestimated Douglas .3 He had a **** corner 4. Douglas was in fully...
Douglas beat Tyson with the basic one two, jab right cross.Who ever said Douglas was 175lbs in shape that's a crock of ****" ,Douglas on his form...
No he didnt he was banging hookers leading up to the fight.
Bottom Line for me .Until someone comes up with a verified quote from either Childs or Jeffries,or a contemporary newspaper mentioning this...
Yes they have Jerry Izenberg who was ringside, its in his book ,"Once Were Giants".
Wrong Torres never said the punch ko'd Liston or was strong enough to do so, indeed he expressed doubt that it was! Joe Louis,George...
Yes we do know, because Jerry Izenberg heard Ali shout them! You have heard of Izenberg?
Jose Torres also said he didnt know if the punch was strong enough to floor or ko Liston. Patterson was in no better position to see the action...
He said he couldn't pick up the count because of the noise and the fact that the referee wasn't counting over him so how the **** could he be...
