¿Which of them do you think would give Prime Ali a more worthy fight?

This is just another desperate pivot. Your obsession with my nuanced take on Ali and Holmes, that they're foundationally similar out-boxers who preferred to operate from distance with their jabs, even if their execution differed, is a smokescreen. That's not a 'contradiction'; it's an analysis you can't grasp.

The actual point, which you consistently evade, is Norton's resume depth beyond them. The burden isn't on me to re-litigate boxing history minutiae with you. The burden is on you to show what other diverse elite styles Norton demonstrably beat to support your claims. You haven't done that.

Your claims of 'routing' me are as hollow as your arguments. You're just shouting 'victory' while dodging the actual substance, and yes, ironically, always trying to get the last word in.

 

@JohnThomas1 is no lackey, he brought concise hard evidence to the table which has you squirming like there’s no tomorrow. I already outlined why you refused to answer the relevant questions re the Ali - Norton series and JT brought the historical proof.

We haven’t been having sideline, tete a tetes throughout the discussion as you and your newest, bestest sidekick have been doing. Absolute cringeworthy.

This is ALL about opinion - lol - you need to read yourself back. You withheld crucial details of your an honest opinion re the Ali-Norton series - you’re now calling it your “past” opinion - let’s fix that - they are opinions you expressed in the “past” and they are opinions you still hold but still won’t admit to.

Evolved? Please don’t make me laugh. It’s all about the ulterior motive and agenda.

Ali, Young and Holmes are more than sufficiently varied top tier fighters - certainly enough to be getting on with alongside Norton’s resume otherwise.

If you couldn’t bang Ken out, you were catching bell - and, aside from an earlier career KO loss to hard punching Garcia, a loss Ken later reversed by KO himself, he was only KO’d by the most elite hitters - including two later career KO losses.

BOOM! Yet again.

 

So Pugguy let’s keep in simple right? How were the varied key elite opponents that Norton beat? Just a list of names please no word salad.

Lorenzo Zanon (Who?) Do you count this as a key win?
Duane Bobick (Who?) Do you count this as a key win?
Scott LeDoux (Draw) Really?
Tex Cobb (SD)
Shot Quarry (Stoppage)
Muhammad Ali (UD) 221lbs
Jimmy Young (UD) (hotly contested)

 

Brother it’s funny because the closest possible fighter to Muhammad Ali is Larry Holmes who tf else is a better example? Young, Holmes and Ali would all be designated to a similar archetype of descending quality by everybody else they’re “out boxers” no one else would disagree with that so we have a 10lbs overweight Ali, Young in a contested decision and … shot Jerry Quarry that’s his official results? Unofficially he probably beat a shot Ali in the 3rd fight (I think so) which adds no strength to the argument he can beat fighters of good quality across multiple styles… even if he got the 3 official wins over Ali it means 0 to the argument. This is also the same fighter who has an Achilles heel so famous he gets dunked on in every fantasy discussion involving anyone who can punch a bit LOL.

 

You keep dodging the main point. Ali, Holmes, and Young were all out-boxers, different in execution, but similar in foundation. That’s not enough stylistic variety to prove Norton’s H2H case against all types.

Listing his losses and calling them proof of his greatness doesn’t cut it. The burden is on you to show which top-tier swarmers, pressure fighters, or big punchers Norton actually beat. Until you actually respond to that instead of dodging or bringing up irrelevant things, you’ve basically conceded the argument.

 

Ah ah ah… Bobick (Puncher) Cobb (swarmer) and LeDoux (pressure) consider yourself OWNED - the last word is all yours, move the pieces as much as you like on the chess board you are vanquished no one else is at the table so squirm, wither, wiggle all you want pathetic worm boy but the eagle man has departed from his boat or something.

 

Keeping it simple, why would I exchange with someone who seriously proffered Norton as a club fighter and Jimmy Young wearing the cuffs ONLY to hit reverse gear when he was called out on it. Or a guy who falsely claims I write word salads?

No feelings involved, it’s just logical to conclude that you’re not well informed and shouldn’t be taken seriously.

 

Behold gentleman! The native pretend weirdo. Don’t be fooled by the dialect I’ll translate for you.

Translation: “I didn’t disagree with your argument at all, I disagreed with you the person, I bit the bait like a fishy and now I can’t get out of this corner, this is the best excuse I have to run away.”

You’re getting “dunked on” Ol Pug “vanquished” especially with this weak *** cop out you’ve got here lol.

 

No balanced views allowed, an inkling of modern darkness corrupts even the strongest and purist acolyte - say it with me, Liston is too big for Marciano (185lbs) but Liston (213lbs) would destroy Dillian Whyte (247lbs) REPEAT my child not all pounds are created equal anything after 210lbs doesn’t count because we decided.

 

Btw, I already addressed the LeDoux fight that you superficially raised earlier - clearly reading/comprehension aren’t your strong points q alongside your obvious instability.

You described LeDoux as a “pressure” fighter. Try not to forget yourself going forward - seems to be a habit you share with your newest, bestest mate.

One more time for the literacy challenged - You omitted Norton’s advanced age as at the time of the LeDoux fight and the fact that Norton dominated through 7 rounds, trapping LeDoux and notably hurting him on at least one occasion.

The thumb to Norton’s eye in round 8 clearly impaired him, thereby reversing the prior trend of the fight, allowing LeDoux to gain back some lost ground.

You’ve just proven, yet again, you are the poster who knows too little.

 

Dempsey has the least chance, approaching zero. Tua would provide the sort of pressure that only a modern pressure heavy could supply, backed by the requisite power of a guy who was not a rawboned flailer or stubby attrition puncher. Prime Tua would reach Ali and reach him repeatedly over the rounds. If Ali thought that Cooper or Banks or Frazier hit hard with the hook, he could wake up a week later and compare Tua to them. Povetikin is likely too clever for Ali. Ibeabuchi is an X-factor. One would think his high output, defensively responsible style, mixed with elite athleticism would turn the trick. And we should, by all logic and a preponderance of evidence, side with the postmodern heavy over the modern heavy.

 

Because diminishing returns exist, otherwise Ajagba wouldn't have drew with Bakole a 60 pound difference which would be overkill in the lower weights. I mean isn't that right ? When's the last time a mere 25 pounds was overcome below cruiserweight ? That disparity is nothing special at heavyweight. plenty of historical boxing fans think Marciano can compete with guys like Foreman and Ali lmfao, there are some good opinons here but this discussion reeks of dishonesty

 

It’s semi sarcasm, I think you’ve can read it’s satire Mark lol I think Joe Louis is the GOAT one of the H2H finest.

 

yup the UPI scored the first bout for Ali, and the third for Norton!

 

How did people score Norton Ali 1 out of curiosity?