¿Which of them do you think would give Prime Ali a more worthy fight?

No balanced views allowed, an inkling of modern darkness corrupts even the strongest and purist acolyte - say it with me, Liston is too big for Marciano (185lbs) but Liston (213lbs) would destroy Dillian Whyte (247lbs) REPEAT my child not all pounds are created equal anything after 210lbs doesn’t count because we decided.

 

Btw, I already addressed the LeDoux fight that you superficially raised earlier - clearly reading/comprehension aren’t your strong points q alongside your obvious instability.

You described LeDoux as a “pressure” fighter. Try not to forget yourself going forward - seems to be a habit you share with your newest, bestest mate.

One more time for the literacy challenged - You omitted Norton’s advanced age as at the time of the LeDoux fight and the fact that Norton dominated through 7 rounds, trapping LeDoux and notably hurting him on at least one occasion.

The thumb to Norton’s eye in round 8 clearly impaired him, thereby reversing the prior trend of the fight, allowing LeDoux to gain back some lost ground.

You’ve just proven, yet again, you are the poster who knows too little.

 

Dempsey has the least chance, approaching zero. Tua would provide the sort of pressure that only a modern pressure heavy could supply, backed by the requisite power of a guy who was not a rawboned flailer or stubby attrition puncher. Prime Tua would reach Ali and reach him repeatedly over the rounds. If Ali thought that Cooper or Banks or Frazier hit hard with the hook, he could wake up a week later and compare Tua to them. Povetikin is likely too clever for Ali. Ibeabuchi is an X-factor. One would think his high output, defensively responsible style, mixed with elite athleticism would turn the trick. And we should, by all logic and a preponderance of evidence, side with the postmodern heavy over the modern heavy.

 

Because diminishing returns exist, otherwise Ajagba wouldn't have drew with Bakole a 60 pound difference which would be overkill in the lower weights. I mean isn't that right ? When's the last time a mere 25 pounds was overcome below cruiserweight ? That disparity is nothing special at heavyweight. plenty of historical boxing fans think Marciano can compete with guys like Foreman and Ali lmfao, there are some good opinons here but this discussion reeks of dishonesty

 

It’s semi sarcasm, I think you’ve can read it’s satire Mark lol I think Joe Louis is the GOAT one of the H2H finest.

 

yup the UPI scored the first bout for Ali, and the third for Norton!

 

How did people score Norton Ali 1 out of curiosity?

 

I'm not going to get involved in the arguing i've made it a rule to myself not to argue with anyone online anymore. I'm not singling anyone out but there's more important things in life than going back and forth arguing on a boxing forum that no one can conclusively prove whether they're right or wrong.

My opinion of Norton is he faced a very good version of Ali in their 2nd fight for me that was Ali at his sharpest in the 1970s and reminiscent of his prime in 1960s in regards to his sharpness and movement. And Norton still had a very close fight with Ali for me that is more impressive than beating the version of Ali in their 1st fight.

Norton was a bit past his prime vs a prime Holmes and gave him a very close fight in one of the greatest Heavyweight fights in history.

Norton has very good performances against 2 Heavyweights that are rated in the top 5 of all time and that simply cannot be ignored.

Young was a top 3 ranked Heavyweight in 1975, 1976, & 1977 yes his record when he finished his career was not the prettiest. But Norton fought him when he was in his prime. Young between 1974-1977 only had 1 loss and that was to Ali in a very controversial decision, Young during this period had a draw vs Shavers, 2 wins over Lyle, big win over Foreman, hence Norton's win vs Young who was ranked as the number 2 Heavyweight in the world is a good win.

The way i look at it Norton had an awkward style but he was one of the most well conditioned Heavyweights of time, one of the best body punchers of all time at Heavyweight, good power.

Do i think Norton is a great ? no but i'd class him as very good and i think he'd do well vs alot of notable Heavyweights for example....Usyk, Fury, Witherspoon, Holyfield, etc.

Yes he'd probably be found wanting against some of the real big hitters but i also think Norton get's a bit undersold in regards to people thinking he loses to every somewhat notable Heavyweight who can hit.

Holmes had 15 stoppages in 20 of his world title fights and Holmes literally teed off on Norton in the 13th round of their fight, yet Norton still comeback and had a very strong 14th round and a good 15th round.

And just to finally end my rambling here's my scorecards of Norton's fights.

Larry Holmes vs Ken Norton

1 Holmes
2 Holmes
3 Holmes
4 Holmes
5 Holmes
6 Holmes
7 Norton
8 Norton
9 Holmes
10 Norton
11 Norton
12 Norton
13 Holmes
14 Norton
15 Norton

143-142 Holmes

Ken Norton vs Jimmy Young

1 Young
2 Young
3 Young
4 Norton
5 Norton
6 Norton
7 Norton
8 Norton
9 Norton
10 Young
11 Norton
12 Young
13 Young
14 Young
15 Norton

143-142 Norton

Ken Norton vs Muhammad Ali 1

1 Ali
2 Norton
3 Ali
4 Norton
5 Norton
6 Norton
7 Norton
8 Ali
9 Norton
10 Norton
11 Ali
12 Norton

116-112 Norton

Ken Norton vs Muhammad Ali 2

1 Ali
2 Ali
3 Ali
4 Ali
5 Norton
6 Ali
7 Norton
8 Norton
9 Ali
10 Norton
11 Norton
12 Ali

115-113 Ali

Ken Norton vs Muhammad Ali 3

1 Ali
2 Norton
3 Norton
4 Norton
5 Norton
6 Norton
7 Ali
8 Norton
9 Ali
10 Ali
11 Ali
12 Norton
13 Norton
14 Ali
15 Ali

143-142 Norton

 

Also just to add Jack Dempsey is winning this poll but I remember Cus D'Amato saying that Dempsey would be very vulnerable to Ali's style the way he leans forward he'd be neutralized by Ali's jabs.

So I'm not sure I agree with majority opinion in this case.

 

Looking at the guys listed in this thread my picks would be Povetkin, Ibeabuchi, just because of their size, power, and they are some of the more notable Heavyweights of their era.

Especially if Povetkin is on PEDs aswell.

 

Go to 4:47 that's when Cus starts talking about Ali/Dempsey this is actually a good respectful debate between a very wise man of boxing and a great fighter I wish more conversations were like this.

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