¿Who was physically stronger between George Foreman and Jack Johnson?

The thing is, Foreman wasn't really trying to out muscle Ali. He was content to let Ali grab his neck because his main goal was to target the body anyways. He knew not to bother going for too many head shots because of Ali's head movement and slipping ability, so he wanted to drain his stamina and kill the legs to prevent dancing with body shots.

His mistake was underestimating Ali's resilience, ability to roll with the punches, and counter against the ropes. Ali's gas tank and will to win were incredible and Foreman punched himself out going full throttle from the start. It's not as if Ali and Foreman were in a constant grapple match or game of mercy testing their raw strength and leverage against each other.

 

Terrific post.

 

I’ve done this rodeo too many times, I’m not bothering you could basically find answers to this in dozens of posts I’ve written… I don’t know what you want me to say, what do you mean by “not liking Foreman” I’ve already said I think the 70s version is hysterically overrated? I have nothing against GF the man, I’d rather you not question my “guts” over sports opinions when I don’t know you from a bar of soap buddy lol.

 

Foreman may have been stronger than Ali but Ali outmanned and outmuscled him in the ring. Fact.

 

Still superb for a guy with no more than 20 fights, especially as Yarosz beat Lloyd Marshall a year prior.

You basically said it yourself right there, if you've got the goods, you've simply got the goods. And while Foreman wasn't some Superman or some underrated technician that secretly had an educated left hand on the same level as Canto or whatever, he was a pretty darn good fighter. Ali just happened to have superior clinch skills and he couldn't fight his fight, styles make fights and **** happens.

 

Yes so the guy was at the end when Charles beat him… he also drew with Overlin after, then beat Burley 2x a smaller guy but a feat to credit to a mix of GOAT level talent, new seasoning and physicality I’ll also be willing to bet he was a much, much better boxer and learnt in the gym what Foreman never did, good teacher can make all the difference, Toney early on knew as much as some long time pros. GF was green just like I said in the beginning, right stuff was laid at birth and in the gym for him to beat Frazier and Norton… but he didn’t have a developed enough or deep enough skill set for someone who had over a decade of boxing on him, his stiffest challenge before Ali was a LHW who was no threat… Charles was hit or miss throughout the period before he became who he was, Foreman never had that on the way to the title, after losing to Ali he looked like he was on the way to being built into a good fighter Lyle, Frazier 2, Le Doux, Dino Denis and Young looks like an inconsistent period but really he was refining, learning patience, picking his shots etc trying stuff out - against Young he looked better then he did with Ali he managed to hurt Young in the 7th and almost finish, GF also lasted till the 15th and didn’t punch himself out, that fights a credit to him and would’ve made him a better fighter if he chugged on, real pros are built off those experiences that was the way Charles did it and many more… GF was champion but not ready for it, not a true professional yet he was more like Toney when he was running everyone over (though obviously nowhere near as skilled…) a raw piece of talent who didn’t understand real fighting yet but that’s easier to get away with at HW.

 

Show us the footage. I sure as **** didn’t see Ali doing anything other than grabbing George around the neck and holding for dear life. On the contrary I saw plenty of George bulling Ali into the ropes and shoving him off him when Ali was grabbing hold.

Outmanned and outmuscled? Revisionist bullspit.

 

Ali let Foreman fight the dumbest fight in heavyweight and had the fortitude to outlast him. Out muscled, a joke.

 

Literally from the first bell Ali is the man and controlling the real estate. Get a set of eyeballs.

An old man tired out the young buck because he was RING STRONG!

 

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Nah he wasn't green, the only green was in Ali's eyes when he saw the payday. There are probably dozens of other examples where fighters with a similar amount of experience as Foreman were absolute phenoms. Just look at a guy like Dwight Muhammad Qawi.

Would you say Mike Tyson was green going into the Spinks fight ? He had boxed about the same amount of rounds as Foreman did by the time he got to Ali, and a good deal of the bouts that went the distance were just because the other guy was running, not really much of an opportunite for Tyson to learn, right ? And while Peralta is meh, Tillis ain't all that better. But Tyson obviously wasn't green, right ? It's not a matter of experience at that point in a fighter's career, just plain ability.

Foreman also didn't really look all that much better in his post Ali comeback. His relationship with Clancy was hit and miss if I recall correctly, and he improved his skills and stamina so much by the time of the Young fight that he found Jesus.

So really, you might as well be better off just saying that Foreman sucked.

 

“I had hit this guy with every shot I had to knock him out, he had not lost any ground. As a matter of fact, he was a little stronger.
On the other hand I had not punished him and knocked him out like I thought - I had got a little weaker."
-George Foreman

 

I don’t think you understand and are respectfully missing a few pieces here to do so.

 

I don't think I do.

 

He's saying he grew weaker and weaker as the fight progressed due to the muggy heat and punching himself out while Ali had lots of energy left in the tank. Not that Ali was outright physically stronger than him in the literal sense.